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From: MNMikeW on 12 May 2010 11:24 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4be9f0e7$0$19807$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > There is NO WAY that all these undocumented workers are > doing enough damage to the country to justify the cost of hunting them > down and getting rid of them. > Tell that to Arizona.
From: MNMikeW on 12 May 2010 11:25 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4be9f2aa$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 11 May 2010 11:17:20 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:4be8a809$0$16094$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>> On Mon, 10 May 2010 12:00:08 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4be78b05$0$4851$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> >>>>> This Dobbsian anti-immigration hysteria (THEY'RE SPREADING >>>>> LEPROSY!!!) surfaces whenever the Republicans are out of office, >>>>> and dies away again when they get back in. All this racism does >>>>> wonders for rallying the true believers, but the reality is that >>>>> many important industries are dependent on undocumented workers. >>>>> Tyson Foods, et al, do not care which party is in power; they will >>>>> grease however many palms it takes to ensure that their cheap labor >>>>> pool is left alone. >>>>> >>>>> So, my take is that the money does not want immigration reform, >>>>> therefore it will not happen. Also, it's very possible that illegal >>>>> workers are a net gain to the economy. I have never heard a >>>>> coherent argument to the contrary from the right. >>>> >>>> You refuse to listen. >>> >>> Of course I listen. I listen to all the empty slogans from the >>> anti-immigration ideologues. I listen to their little theories. My >>> favorite so far is Bert's suggestion to just shoot illegal aliens. >>> Perhaps it could be made into some sort of reality television show. >>> You know, like The Running Man. Think of the ratings. >> >> Umm, the thing you liberals cant seem to grasp is it's not >> anti-immigration, it's anti-ILLEGAL immigration. > > Obviously, everything that is declared illegal is automatically > wrong. You're hopeless.
From: MNMikeW on 12 May 2010 11:27 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:7883795f-8ac1-4100-8f3a-199c7bb06d81(a)l28g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On May 11, 5:46 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > news:acgju5thfsr21lgouu1d147u393sj0ubot(a)4ax.com... > > > > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 13:28:50 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > wrote: > > >>In article <hscdpr$uv...(a)speranza.aioe.org>, > >> "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > > >>> "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >>>news:alangbaker-92E834.11330008052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >>> > In article <84kmkjF9o...(a)mid.individual.net>, > >>> > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > >>> >> Agree. I wouldn't know where to begin to buy cocaine. > > >>> > Trying going to a night club. > > >>> Seriously? You think a night club is a good place to score cocaine? > >>> What, > >>> just start asking people at the bar? The bartender? When the waitress > >>> asks > >>> for your order you say, I want an eight ball and two straws? > > >>> That is funny. > > >>Did I say it was where you would buy it? I said it was where you might > >>*begin*. > > > Hell, I don't even know what an " eight ball and two straws" is, but > > Moderate obviously has some experience with it. :-) > > > BK > > 3.5 grams, bout $300 bucks. ;-) Wow, prices have gone down. =============== Not really.
From: William Clark on 12 May 2010 16:46 In article <MPG.2653ba45398c488e989eda(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <wclark2-8CAE1E.19521511052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > In article <84to04FsbmU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > > news:clark-0EE06F.13513011052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > > > > Increased incarceration rates are one of many factors that have > > > > > lowered the crime rate. It's not even the principal one. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Name the other factors. > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > Increased investment in policing. Duh. > > > > > > Bad guys were being caught. That was never the issue, especially since > > > most > > > criminals are pretty dumb. The problem is that they were having their > > > hands > > > slapped in the name of probation or parole and released. > > > > > > Duh. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > It was always the issue. Once you put a greater police presence on the > > ground you a) catch the bad guys, and b) drive them out of the area. > > Incarceration in the US system is proven to be neither a deterrent nor > > reforming. > > Where do you "b) drive them out of the area" to? Aren't you just making > them someone else's problem rather than actually fixing the problem? No, in many cases you persuade them that conducting illegal business is no longer worth the risk, so they take early retirement.
From: William Clark on 12 May 2010 16:52
In article <84uvbeF8mhU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > news:wclark2-7AD9AC.21225011052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > It was always the issue. Once you put a greater police presence on the > > > > ground you a) catch the bad guys, and b) drive them out of the area. > > > > Incarceration in the US system is proven to be neither a deterrent nor > > > > reforming. > > > > > > Baloney. Incaceration is the hammer to the nail. What good is law > > > enforcement if the crooks they catch are released, due to "rehab" or > > > overcrowding. Cops care alot about making sure their police work has an > end > > > to it. My dad's favorite ending was when one bad guy murdered another. > > > One's dead....other one is in prison for life. Pretty good return for > one > > > bullet. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > In the US 723 people out of every 100,000 are in prison. In Norway, the > > figure is 63. Which is the safer country to live in? > > > > Thank you - your "case" just fell flat on its face. > > It depends on whether there are more than 63 who shouldn't be walking the > streets. If that were the case, Norway would have a higher crime rate than the US. It doesn't. Strike one. > > Also, Norway is full of Norwegians. My country is full of all kinds of > people. Read that aloud to yourself. If you don't burst out laughing, you have a mental problem. > > Finally....the 723 deserve three hots and a cot. I'd feel much worse if it > were 500 incarcerated, leaving 223 walking around, stealing, raping, abusing > drugs, and assaulting people. Which, of course, completely evades the question. Why 723 here to 63 in Norway? |