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From: William Clark on 12 May 2010 16:53 In article <MPG.2653b9f68d912acd989ed9(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <wclark2-552823.19492411052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > > No, I said we should tattoo those caught here as illegal aliens and > > > > > then > > > > > deport them. The scarlet letter has its uses. > > > > > > > > Why not just tattoo a number on their arms and then send them to > > > > extermination camps? Oh, wait, someone else tried that, didn't they? > > > > > > Do you carry your green card with you at all times. It is US federal > > > law. > > > > So you do think the "camps" are a good idea. What a real charmer. > > Become a citizen and then get the law changed. When all else fails, use the "foreigners out" hysteria. How pathetic.
From: dene on 12 May 2010 17:34 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-A465A9.01120012052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <84uuu2F6ghU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "kenpitts" <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:0c522f75-0d64-48e8-bac9-92a7bb5e6399(a)a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > On May 11, 12:47 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:31:59 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> > > > > > >My question to John remains. He seems to imply that an illegal should > > have > > > >a chance to prove himself. I think not. > > > > > > Of course he should. That's what the American justice system is built > > > on. Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what > > > BAR's solution is. > > > > > > BK > > > > The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals > > charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. > > > > Ken > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > Bingo. My point exactly. > > > > -Greg > > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> Put the statement in context. They are referring to citizens, which at the time was white males. -Greg
From: Alan Baker on 12 May 2010 17:32 In article <850l03Fa43U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-A465A9.01120012052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <84uuu2F6ghU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "kenpitts" <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:0c522f75-0d64-48e8-bac9-92a7bb5e6399(a)a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > > On May 11, 12:47 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:31:59 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> > > > > > > > >My question to John remains. He seems to imply that an illegal should > > > have > > > > >a chance to prove himself. I think not. > > > > > > > > Of course he should. That's what the American justice system is built > > > > on. Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what > > > > BAR's solution is. > > > > > > > > BK > > > > > > The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals > > > charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Bingo. My point exactly. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable > > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." > > > > -- > > Alan Baker > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > Put the statement in context. They are referring to citizens, which at the > time was white males. No, they were not. They were referring to everyone. The clue would be "endowed by their Creator". -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 12 May 2010 17:37 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:h68lu5l936kdfm35fe0fgtlht8ncgubspd(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:20:41 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts > <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >On May 11, 12:47 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:31:59 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ><bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >> >news:m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com... > >> >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> > >> >> >"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >> >> >news:971993e3-6952-4b02-90ad-f3a4ed741a87(a)b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... > >> >> >On May 11, 7:33 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > >> >> <clip> > >> >> >You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing and > >> >> >killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that > >> >> >everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a thief > >> >> >and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right? > >> > >> >> >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> >> >A chance to do what? > >> > >> >> >-Greg > >> > >> >> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or > >> >> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because its > >> >> so complicated, , but I will ask you this: > >> > >> >> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that anyone > >> >> crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? > >> > >> >> That only requires a simple yes or no. > >> > >> >> BK > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> >I believe I answered the question earlier. > >> > >> Sorry, I didn't see that.> Bert is wrong about this but at least he has the guts to offer a solution. > >> > >> Hell, dropping an H bomb on Mexico could be called a solution,to > >> consider murder as a solution is more than a stretch. > >> > >> > I don't believe securing our borders is particularily complicated. It's a matter of political will. > >> > >> Since neither party, when in power, has been able to do this there > >> must be some complications. Money is the main culprit. > >> > >> > >> > >> >My question to John remains. He seems to imply that an illegal should have > >> >a chance to prove himself. I think not. > >> > >> Of course he should. That's what the American justice system is built > >> on. Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what > >> BAR's solution is. > >> > >> BK > >> > >> > >> > >> - Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > >The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals > >charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. > > > >Ken > > Wrong, and that seems to have become usual for you about this. America > is not a police state and everyone that is arrested here is given a > fair trial. That is a right that is afforded every human being in the > U.S. > > BK An illegal criminal has a right to a fair trial. If found innocent, then deportation. All illegals have the right for swift but humane deportation. I object to the idea that either situation should give them "the chance" for citizenship. -Greg
From: Alan Baker on 12 May 2010 17:36
In article <850l64Fb2vU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > >> >> <clip> > > >> >> >You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing > and > > >> >> >killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that > > >> >> >everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a > thief > > >> >> >and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right? > > >> > > >> >> >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> >> >A chance to do what? > > >> > > >> >> >-Greg > > >> > > >> >> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or > > >> >> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because its > > >> >> so complicated, , but I will ask you this: > > >> > > >> >> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that anyone > > >> >> crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? > > >> > > >> >> That only requires a simple yes or no. > > >> > > >> >> BK > > >> > > >> >------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >> >I believe I answered the question earlier. > > >> > > >> Sorry, I didn't see that.> Bert is wrong about this but at least he has > the guts to offer a solution. > > >> > > >> Hell, dropping an H bomb on Mexico could be called a solution,to > > >> consider murder as a solution is more than a stretch. > > >> > > >> > I don't believe securing our borders is particularily complicated. > It's a matter of political will. > > >> > > >> Since neither party, when in power, has been able to do this there > > >> must be some complications. Money is the main culprit. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >My question to John remains. He seems to imply that an illegal should > have > > >> >a chance to prove himself. I think not. > > >> > > >> Of course he should. That's what the American justice system is built > > >> on. Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what > > >> BAR's solution is. > > >> > > >> BK > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> - Hide quoted text - > > >> > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals > > >charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. > > > > > >Ken > > > > Wrong, and that seems to have become usual for you about this. America > > is not a police state and everyone that is arrested here is given a > > fair trial. That is a right that is afforded every human being in the > > U.S. > > > > BK > > An illegal criminal has a right to a fair trial. If found innocent, then > deportation. All illegals have the right for swift but humane deportation. > I object to the idea that either situation should give them "the chance" for > citizenship. Where did anyone suggest that, Greg? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |