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From: Carbon on 12 May 2010 17:46 On Wed, 12 May 2010 07:29:21 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <5a38d791-d9d1-4ae9-a3d1- > 9308397c4fbc(a)k2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... >> >>> I believe I answered the question earlier. Bert is wrong about this >>> but at least he has the guts to offer a solution. I don't believe >>> securing our borders is particularily complicated. It's a matter of >>> political will. >>> >>> My question to John remains. He seems to imply that an illegal >>> should have a chance to prove himself. I think not. >> >> The guts? Are you serious? It takes guts to post on a golf newsgroup >> that illegal entrants to the US should be shot? That's the dumbest >> thing I've heard in a long time. >> >> As for your question, I don't remember seeing it. And I don't know >> what you mean by an illegal having a chance to prove himself. > > What's your suggestion. Oh, that's right, the problem is too > complicated for you to comprehend or address. <obvious>Doing nothing is superior to mass murder.</obvious>
From: Carbon on 12 May 2010 17:49 On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:16 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <4be9f994$0$4884$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR wrote: >>> In article <m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com>, >>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A chance to do what? >>>> >>>> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or >>>> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because >>>> its so complicated, , but I will ask you this: >>>> >>>> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that >>>> anyone crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? >>>> >>>> That only requires a simple yes or no. >>> >>> Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard problems. >>> And, your refusal to adress the hard problems is then transferred to >>> everyone else. You would rather sit back, throw your hands in the >>> air and say live and let live. When in reality that attitude is what >>> continually gets us in trouble. >> >> And your problem is that you insist on simple answers when there are >> none to be had. > > You don't know if there is a simple answer. You reject all > possibilities except open borders. I did nothing of the kind. I did say that the issue is more complicated than you realize. Which is self-evident if you believe the answer is to murder everyone you think might be trying to cross the border illegally.
From: bknight on 12 May 2010 17:50 On Wed, 12 May 2010 14:37:55 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >news:h68lu5l936kdfm35fe0fgtlht8ncgubspd(a)4ax.com... - Show quoted text - >> > >> >The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals >> >charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. >> > >> >> >> Wrong, and that seems to have become usual for you about this. America >> is not a police state and everyone that is arrested here is given a >> fair trial. That is a right that is afforded every human being in the >> U.S. >> >> BK > >An illegal criminal has a right to a fair trial. If found innocent, then >deportation. All illegals have the right for swift but humane deportation. >-Greg > but you said "Bingo to this statement: >> >The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals >> >charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. >> > >> >Ken Why would you agree with it, then post the above...which is true?
From: Carbon on 12 May 2010 17:55 On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:24:29 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4be9f0e7$0$19807$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> There is NO WAY that all these undocumented workers are doing enough >> damage to the country to justify the cost of hunting them down and >> getting rid of them. > > Tell that to Arizona. They're certainly going to spend a lot of money with their new pogrom.
From: bknight on 12 May 2010 17:56
On 12 May 2010 21:49:06 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:16 -0400, BAR wrote: >> In article <4be9f994$0$4884$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR wrote: >>>> In article <m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com>, >>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A chance to do what? >>>>> >>>>> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or >>>>> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because >>>>> its so complicated, , but I will ask you this: >>>>> >>>>> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that >>>>> anyone crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? >>>>> >>>>> That only requires a simple yes or no. >>>> >>>> Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard problems. >>>> And, your refusal to adress the hard problems is then transferred to >>>> everyone else. You would rather sit back, throw your hands in the >>>> air and say live and let live. When in reality that attitude is what >>>> continually gets us in trouble. >>> >>> And your problem is that you insist on simple answers when there are >>> none to be had. >> >> You don't know if there is a simple answer. You reject all >> possibilities except open borders. > >I did nothing of the kind. I did say that the issue is more complicated >than you realize. Which is self-evident if you believe the answer is to >murder everyone you think might be trying to cross the border illegally. Nor have I suggested open borders. Carbs, I don't agree with your stance to open them, but certainly am not agreeable to murder. As for BAR's charges. I do leave this problem to those that will be held to fix it. I do not transfer that charge to anyone on this NG, and especially Bert. I wouldn't allow him the possibility to make any policy about any thing. BK |