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From: bknight on 12 May 2010 18:46 On Wed, 12 May 2010 15:39:46 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message >news:alangbaker-57B8E6.14323012052010(a)news.shawcable.com... >> > > > > Of course he should. That's what the American justice system is >built >> > > > > on. Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what >> > > > > BAR's solution is. >> > > > > >> > > > > BK >> > > > >> > > > The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals >> > > > charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. >> > > > >> > > > Ken >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------- >> > > > >> > > > Bingo. My point exactly. >> > > > >> > > > -Greg >> > > >> > > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created >> > > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable >> > > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of >Happiness." >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Alan Baker >> > > Vancouver, British Columbia >> > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> >> > >> > Put the statement in context. They are referring to citizens, which at >the >> > time was white males. >> >> No, they were not. >> >> They were referring to everyone. The clue would be "endowed by their >> Creator". > >Within the context of a new nation called the United States of America. > >-Greg The bottom line Greg is that anyone, that is ANYONE, within the borders of the United States has the right to legal rights. Period. You can skirt around the time line, but it hasn't changed since the Constitution was ratified. BK
From: Alan Baker on 12 May 2010 18:49 In article <mpbmu59fp21quv9plntobero5flpfs9sui(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > On Wed, 12 May 2010 15:39:46 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > > > >"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >news:alangbaker-57B8E6.14323012052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > >> > > > > Of course he should. That's what the American justice system is > >built > >> > > > > on. Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what > >> > > > > BAR's solution is. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > BK > >> > > > > >> > > > The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals > >> > > > charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. > >> > > > > >> > > > Ken > >> > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > > >> > > > Bingo. My point exactly. > >> > > > > >> > > > -Greg > >> > > > >> > > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > >> > > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable > >> > > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of > >Happiness." > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Alan Baker > >> > > Vancouver, British Columbia > >> > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > >> > > >> > Put the statement in context. They are referring to citizens, which at > >the > >> > time was white males. > >> > >> No, they were not. > >> > >> They were referring to everyone. The clue would be "endowed by their > >> Creator". > > > >Within the context of a new nation called the United States of America. > > > >-Greg > > The bottom line Greg is that anyone, that is ANYONE, within the > borders of the United States has the right to legal rights. Period. > You can skirt around the time line, but it hasn't changed since the > Constitution was ratified. Yup. The very founding of the United States was the principle that no government should deprive anyone of the rights... ....THEY ALREADY HAD. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: bknight on 12 May 2010 18:49 On Wed, 12 May 2010 15:42:57 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >"BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message >news:MPG.2654f5687cd1fd30989eec(a)news.giganews.com... >> In article <c1a93baa-25df-4744-b08d-3f00e8c59d43 >> @s29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... >> > Are you suggesting that the people in this NG have the power to solve >> > problems? >> >> Yes. > >The ones who vote do. > >-Greg > So you think that RSG is a possible power of change? To quote Baker.....LOL BK
From: dene on 12 May 2010 19:20 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:ovbmu5t8u745jahoq0bn9tgmgc6o36olps(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 12 May 2010 15:42:57 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > > > >"BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > >news:MPG.2654f5687cd1fd30989eec(a)news.giganews.com... > >> In article <c1a93baa-25df-4744-b08d-3f00e8c59d43 > >> @s29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > >> > Are you suggesting that the people in this NG have the power to solve > >> > problems? > >> > >> Yes. > > > >The ones who vote do. > > > >-Greg > > > So you think that RSG is a possible power of change? > To quote Baker.....LOL > > BK RSG is a discussion group. Occasionally, the discussion is enlightening and consequently could affect my vote. -Greg
From: Carbon on 12 May 2010 19:17
On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:56:18 -0500, bknight wrote: > On 12 May 2010 21:49:06 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > wrote: >>On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:16 -0400, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4be9f994$0$4884$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR wrote: >>>>> In article <m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com>, >>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A chance to do what? >>>>>> >>>>>> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or >>>>>> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because >>>>>> its so complicated, , but I will ask you this: >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that >>>>>> anyone crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? >>>>>> >>>>>> That only requires a simple yes or no. >>>>> >>>>> Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard problems. >>>>> And, your refusal to adress the hard problems is then transferred to >>>>> everyone else. You would rather sit back, throw your hands in the >>>>> air and say live and let live. When in reality that attitude is what >>>>> continually gets us in trouble. >>>> >>>> And your problem is that you insist on simple answers when there are >>>> none to be had. >>> >>> You don't know if there is a simple answer. You reject all >>> possibilities except open borders. >> >>I did nothing of the kind. I did say that the issue is more complicated >>than you realize. Which is self-evident if you believe the answer is to >>murder everyone you think might be trying to cross the border illegally. > > Nor have I suggested open borders. Carbs, I don't agree with your > stance to open them, but certainly am not agreeable to murder. I don't think I ever advocated opening the borders. My suggestion was to leave things as they are. I honestly don't see how undocumented workers are destroying the country by working for low wages and no benefits at jobs Americans refuse to do. |