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From: William Clark on 12 May 2010 20:10 In article <MPG.265468b2e3874755989edc(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <6hsju5ps13t3chal0m69rq4ad9lvt1h89u(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard problems. And, > > >your refusal to adress the hard problems is then transferred to everyone > > >else. You would rather sit back, throw your hands in the air and say > > >live and let live. When in reality that attitude is what continually > > >gets us in trouble. > > > > > Your problem, Bert, is that you've established yourself as a loony, > > idiotic, half-baked, fool. You excise those parts of others' posts > > that show these traits and simply go on as you actually have a > > reasonable thought. > > The newsreader I use has a habit of only grabbing part of the previous > content when I click on follow up so I choose to only include the most > recent information. If you want to follow the entire thread then you can > refer to the headers to get the information that you so desperately > seek. > > > The issue is whether or not a person should lose their life over > > simply crossing a border illegally. If you truly believe this you're > > to be pitied. Every simple-minded example you've given has shown > > this. You can't compare a border crossing with someone entering your > > home. One has absolute probabilities of causing bodily harm, the > > other doesn't. However, in your shallow thinking they're the same. > > Tattooing is also a suggestion of yours and you don't even see the > > parallels of this to Germany in the 30s, or maybe you think that was a > > good idea. > > The issue is what is your solution to the illegal immigration problem. > You failure to propose a solution is telling of your desire to not > address the problem. My solution is just a starting point, a point from > one perspective to start the discussion. You fail to participate in the > discussion. > > Propose a solution. Saying the problem is too big and too complicated is > a cop out. > > > You're a cretin and a fool. > > At leat I am willing to do something about problems. Oh, like blathering away on a Usenet ng is "doing something about the problems"? You aren't doing squat about the actual "problem".
From: Howard Brazee on 12 May 2010 20:55 On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> wrote: >If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to >trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," >which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is >deportation. What if the person is innocent? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 12 May 2010 21:01 On Wed, 12 May 2010 20:06:48 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: >I have no doubt that legalizing drugs would reduce violent crime >significantly. It would reduce those diseases associated with people >sharing needles like HIV and hepatitis. Health problems can be exasperated if for any reason, people don't trust the authorities. Places with draconian drug enforcement don't use clean needles. This is happening right now around the world. Some diseases are much more dangerous than those spread by dirty needles. For the health of us and ours, we want anybody who catches those to go to health authorities. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Loudon Briggs on 13 May 2010 00:19 Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> >wrote: > >>If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to >>trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," >>which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is >>deportation. > >What if the person is innocent? I'm not absolutely positive but, my understanding is that they would have to produce the required proof of legality, and if they do, would be reprimanded for not having it with them when apprehended. I don't think it would automatically result in deportation. Howard, what is so aggravating to those of us who live here, and have to absorb the verbal abuse that has arisen over this problem, is this supposition. If the exact same illegal entry problem were happening at common border crossings with Canada, in Washington, or Maine, or Minnesota, and similar states, the offenders would more likely be Canadians, British, Irish, French, Balkan countries, or some other similar area. If the same solutions we are trying to apply to Hispanics from all over South and Central America and Mexico, were used to stop the illegal immigration from the North, the reaction, countrywide, would be totally different, and you may be sure that citizens and legal entrants with Hispanic backgrounds, would be in the forefront of the objectors. The real problem is in Washington... neither Congress nor the Presidential office has produced any real effort toward a solution. How do you suppose citizens from northern Pennsylvania would react if the following were happening on their border. I quote an Arizona Congresswoman from southern Arizona. ************ The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies. > Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug trains. > One man told of two illegal's who came upon his property one shot in the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the ranch and they can't leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left when they come back. > The U.S. Border Patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can take them back across the border. ************** These totally uninformed postings on this subject and statements from people around this country and others, compare our actions to those of the Nazis. My initial reaction is to compare those detractors to "the world" that watched that situation developing in Germany and basically, did NOTHING to help. I feel better, even if no one takes any notice of what I've said. :) -- Loudon R. Briggs larebe(a)bbz.net Phoenix, AZ "How Can You Not Like A Game Where It's Okay To Get Teed Off, Tote A Six-Iron, Shoot Birdies, and If You're Under Par It's A Great Day!" (from "Frank & Ernest" by Bob Thaves -- used with permission)
From: Howard Brazee on 13 May 2010 07:41
On Wed, 12 May 2010 21:19:29 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> wrote: >If the exact same illegal entry problem were happening at common >border crossings with Canada, in Washington, or Maine, or Minnesota, >and similar states, the offenders would more likely be Canadians, >British, Irish, French, Balkan countries, or some other similar area. Most of the illegal immigrants crossing the Canadian border are Asians. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |