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From: MNMikeW on 13 May 2010 10:23 "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message news:850ra8FcglU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4beb2cec$0$18393$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 09:59:20 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >> > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> > news:4be9f5f2$0$18607$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 18:42:37 -0400, BAR wrote: >> >>> In article <4be8ade2$0$22444$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >> >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> >>>> On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:57:09 -0400, BAR wrote: >> >>>>> In article <b7a230ab-06a3-4fd7-9b9d-c3656cb2d549 >> >>>>> @j35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... >> >>>>>> On May 9, 10:32 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On May 9, 9:13 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Please provide proof that putting the US military on the border >> >>>>>>>> and shooting anyone trying to enter the country illegally is a >> >>>>>>>> good idea. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Proof? We don't need no stinking proof. It is clearly a good >> >>>>>>> idea. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If you're stupid and barbaric. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Do you have locks on the doors of your house and cars? If yes, >> >>>>> why? >> >>>> >> >>>> Please tell me you're not trying to equate murdering Mexicans with >> >>>> locking doors. >> >>> >> >>> Keeping illegals out of our country is just like keeping burglars >> >>> out of your house. In that sense it is the same thing. What you and >> >>> your ilk fail to understand is that illegal is illegal regardless of >> >>> whether you agree with the law. >> >> >> >> We studied personality types in college psychology. There is a >> >> segment of the population that is unable to distinguish the >> >> difference between law and morality. They think that all laws are >> >> good laws and be followed, no matter how pointless or ridiculous. >> >> These people suffer from a condition called stupidity. >> > >> > You mean like the people who cant tell the difference between >> > immigration and illegal immigration? Those stupid people? >> >> I guess I meant more fair-weather free-market capitalists like yourself >> who choose to forget that workers are going to go where the jobs are, >> borders or not. It seems ironic that you idologues suddenly forget all >> about supply and demand and now want the government to step in and blow >> billions of dollars sealing the Mexican border. Do you believe in >> free-market capitalism, or not? Do you want a small government, or not? > > I think protecting our borders is a national security issue and is a > direct > responsibility of the federal government. It should be funded to the nth > degree. > > -Greg > Liberals don't do security.
From: MNMikeW on 13 May 2010 10:30 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4beb3703$0$18433$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:56:18 -0500, bknight wrote: >> On 12 May 2010 21:49:06 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> >> wrote: >>>On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:16 -0400, BAR wrote: >>>> In article <4be9f994$0$4884$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR wrote: >>>>>> In article <m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com>, >>>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A chance to do what? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or >>>>>>> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because >>>>>>> its so complicated, , but I will ask you this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that >>>>>>> anyone crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That only requires a simple yes or no. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard problems. >>>>>> And, your refusal to adress the hard problems is then transferred to >>>>>> everyone else. You would rather sit back, throw your hands in the >>>>>> air and say live and let live. When in reality that attitude is what >>>>>> continually gets us in trouble. >>>>> >>>>> And your problem is that you insist on simple answers when there are >>>>> none to be had. >>>> >>>> You don't know if there is a simple answer. You reject all >>>> possibilities except open borders. >>> >>>I did nothing of the kind. I did say that the issue is more complicated >>>than you realize. Which is self-evident if you believe the answer is to >>>murder everyone you think might be trying to cross the border illegally. >> >> Nor have I suggested open borders. Carbs, I don't agree with your >> stance to open them, but certainly am not agreeable to murder. > > I don't think I ever advocated opening the borders. My suggestion was to > leave things as they are. I honestly don't see how undocumented workers > are destroying the country by working for low wages and no benefits at > jobs Americans refuse to do. You fail to realize that not all the people streaming over our current open border are not here to work. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1 http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/19/phoenix.drug.kidnappings/
From: MNMikeW on 13 May 2010 10:35 "Loudon Briggs" <larebe(a)bbz.net> wrote in message news:jcsmu5hltgekbgjtuqaco4nddi0ohlsi36(a)4ax.com... > Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > >>On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> >>wrote: >> >>>If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to >>>trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," >>>which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is >>>deportation. >> >>What if the person is innocent? > > I'm not absolutely positive but, my understanding is that they would > have to produce the required proof of legality, and if they do, would > be reprimanded for not having it with them when apprehended. I don't > think it would automatically result in deportation. > > Howard, what is so aggravating to those of us who live here, and have > to absorb the verbal abuse that has arisen over this problem, is this > supposition. > > If the exact same illegal entry problem were happening at common > border crossings with Canada, in Washington, or Maine, or Minnesota, > and similar states, the offenders would more likely be Canadians, > British, Irish, French, Balkan countries, or some other similar area. > If the same solutions we are trying to apply to Hispanics from all > over South and Central America and Mexico, were used to stop the > illegal immigration from the North, the reaction, countrywide, would > be totally different, and you may be sure that citizens and legal > entrants with Hispanic backgrounds, would be in the forefront of the > objectors. > > The real problem is in Washington... neither Congress nor the > Presidential office has produced any real effort toward a solution. > > How do you suppose citizens from northern Pennsylvania would react if > the following were happening on their border. I quote an Arizona > Congresswoman from southern Arizona. > > ************ > The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border > have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the > daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher > testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch > vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting > down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found > 17 dead bodies. >> > Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his > ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in > front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind > them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These > people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This > was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug > trains. >> > One man told of two illegal's who came upon his property one shot in > the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced > them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun > fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the > ranch and they can't leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left > when they come back. >> > The U.S. Border Patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles > away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are > not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run > around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can > take them back across the border. > ************** > > These totally uninformed postings on this subject and statements from > people around this country and others, compare our actions to those of > the Nazis. My initial reaction is to compare those detractors to "the > world" that watched that situation developing in Germany and > basically, did NOTHING to help. > > I feel better, even if no one takes any notice of what I've said. :) > > Not everyone is against Arizona Loundon. Keep up the good fight!
From: bknight on 13 May 2010 10:58 On Thu, 13 May 2010 09:35:04 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >Not everyone is against Arizona Loundon. I'll say. Around 65% back the new law. However, some of the biggest critics are Arizonians. Interesting article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37021347/ns/us_news-life/ BK
From: Don Kirkman on 13 May 2010 12:56
On Wed, 12 May 2010 18:55:43 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> >wrote: >>If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to >>trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," >>which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is >>deportation. >What if the person is innocent? In this situation it's not really a matter of guilt or innocence but of documented or undocumented. Undocumented folks are sent home, convicted (not-innocent) folks generally serve their time in our facilities, at least in California, and are then turned over for deportation--thus adding to the cost of running our jails and prisons. -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net |