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From: R&B on 13 May 2010 18:20 On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said: > "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>>> >>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is where police >>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but they could >>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both second-generation US >>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens of the US. >>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional questions. >>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in situations >>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies about the >>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must be lawful >>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot simply pull >>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible minorities >>>>>>>> over like that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like they do now right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, like they do right now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Randy >>>>>> >>>>> Riiiiiiight. >>>> >>>> >>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't stop >>>> people strictly because of the color of their skin? >>>> >>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad apples in >>> every group. >>> >>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all of >>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist cops who >>>> just wanted to hassle a black person. >>> >>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. >>>> >>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it happened. >>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't breaking any >>>> laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was clear that he >>>> just wanted to intimidate my friend. >>> >>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must have >>> been a reason for >>> the stop. >>>> >>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 percent >>>> that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. >>> >>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's >>> reversed. ;-) >>>> >>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some people >>>> in a position of presumed authority, they will let their presumed >>>> "power" go to their heads. >>> >>> Yes there a few of those out there. >>> >>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR >>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me removed from >>>> the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even though I had >>>> the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. The same >>>> guy even started physically assaulting one of our female reporters >>>> WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! >>> >>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years ago. We >>> didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). >>>> >>>> >>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only shows >>>> your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping your head stuck >>>> firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). >>>> >>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert that >>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. >> >> I never said it was the norm. >> >> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever happens. >> >> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. >> >> To assert otherwise is a lie. >> >> Randy >> > But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think this law > does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This is > not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was more > than clear. Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like. Randy
From: MNMikeW on 13 May 2010 18:26 "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>> >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>>>> >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is where >>>>>>>>>>> police >>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but they >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both >>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US >>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens of the >>>>>>>>>>> US. >>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional >>>>>>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in >>>>>>>>>>> situations >>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies about >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must be >>>>>>>>>> lawful >>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot simply >>>>>>>>>> pull >>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible >>>>>>>>> minorities >>>>>>>>> over like that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like they do now right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Randy >>>>>>> >>>>>> Riiiiiiight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't stop >>>>> people strictly because of the color of their skin? >>>>> >>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad apples in >>>> every group. >>>> >>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all of >>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist cops >>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person. >>>> >>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. >>>>> >>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it happened. >>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't breaking >>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was clear >>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend. >>>> >>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must have >>>> been a reason for >>>> the stop. >>>>> >>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 percent >>>>> that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. >>>> >>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's >>>> reversed. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some people >>>>> in a position of presumed authority, they will let their presumed >>>>> "power" go to their heads. >>>> >>>> Yes there a few of those out there. >>>> >>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR >>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me removed >>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even though I >>>>> had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. The >>>>> same guy even started physically assaulting one of our female >>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! >>>> >>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years ago. We >>>> didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only shows >>>>> your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping your head >>>>> stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). >>>>> >>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert that >>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. >>> >>> I never said it was the norm. >>> >>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever happens. >>> >>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. >>> >>> To assert otherwise is a lie. >>> >>> Randy >>> >> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think this law >> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This is not >> the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was more than >> clear. > > > Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like. > > Randy > What?
From: Carbon on 13 May 2010 18:42 On Thu, 13 May 2010 09:23:50 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > Liberals don't do security. I'll make a deal with you: you don't say stupid things and I won't think you're stupid.
From: Carbon on 13 May 2010 18:44 On Tue, 11 May 2010 23:12:13 -0700, dene wrote: > "kenpitts" <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:0c522f75-0d64-48e8- >bac9-92a7bb5e6399(a)a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > >> The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals >> charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. > > Bingo. My point exactly. US constitution begs to differ.
From: Carbon on 13 May 2010 19:08
On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:01:45 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <08aa20a5-5d71-4a75-b127-d34cdbb5e645 > @a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... >> On May 12, 5:55 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:24:29 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4be9f0e7$0$19807$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> >>>>> There is NO WAY that all these undocumented workers are doing >>>>> enough damage to the country to justify the cost of hunting them >>>>> down and getting rid of them. >>>> >>>> Tell that to Arizona. >>> >>> They're certainly going to spend a lot of money with their new >>> pogrom. >> >> They sure are. What are they going to do with the people they arrest >> under the new law? Drive them to the ICE Field Office in Phoenix and >> dump them there? Arizona is a huge state. Or will they call the ICE >> office and demand that they come and get them, then hold them for a >> week or more until someone from ICE can take an entire day out of his >> schedule to go pick them up? The AZ law doesn't give local >> jurisdictions authority to deport illegal aliens - only to arrest >> them. > > The law is having its intended effect. Which effect is that? Wasting money? |