From: R&B on
On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said:

> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>>
>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>>>>
>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is where police
>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but they could
>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both second-generation US
>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens of the US.
>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional questions.
>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in situations
>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies about the
>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must be lawful
>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot simply pull
>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible minorities
>>>>>>>> over like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like they do now right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>>
>>>>> Riiiiiiight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't stop
>>>> people strictly because of the color of their skin?
>>>>
>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad apples in
>>> every group.
>>>
>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all of
>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist cops who
>>>> just wanted to hassle a black person.
>>>
>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it happened.
>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't breaking any
>>>> laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was clear that he
>>>> just wanted to intimidate my friend.
>>>
>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must have
>>> been a reason for
>>> the stop.
>>>>
>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 percent
>>>> that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some.
>>>
>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's
>>> reversed. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some people
>>>> in a position of presumed authority, they will let their presumed
>>>> "power" go to their heads.
>>>
>>> Yes there a few of those out there.
>>>
>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR
>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me removed from
>>>> the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even though I had
>>>> the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. The same
>>>> guy even started physically assaulting one of our female reporters
>>>> WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!!
>>>
>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years ago. We
>>> didnt have that much power to do that. ;-).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only shows
>>>> your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping your head stuck
>>>> firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark).
>>>>
>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert that
>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance.
>>
>> I never said it was the norm.
>>
>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever happens.
>>
>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere.
>>
>> To assert otherwise is a lie.
>>
>> Randy
>>
> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think this law
> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This is
> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was more
> than clear.


Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like.

Randy

From: MNMikeW on

"R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>
>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>>>
>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is where
>>>>>>>>>>> police
>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but they
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both
>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US
>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens of the
>>>>>>>>>>> US.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional
>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in
>>>>>>>>>>> situations
>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies about
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must be
>>>>>>>>>> lawful
>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot simply
>>>>>>>>>> pull
>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible
>>>>>>>>> minorities
>>>>>>>>> over like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like they do now right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Riiiiiiight.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't stop
>>>>> people strictly because of the color of their skin?
>>>>>
>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad apples in
>>>> every group.
>>>>
>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all of
>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist cops
>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person.
>>>>
>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it happened.
>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't breaking
>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was clear
>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend.
>>>>
>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must have
>>>> been a reason for
>>>> the stop.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 percent
>>>>> that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's
>>>> reversed. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some people
>>>>> in a position of presumed authority, they will let their presumed
>>>>> "power" go to their heads.
>>>>
>>>> Yes there a few of those out there.
>>>>
>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR
>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me removed
>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even though I
>>>>> had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. The
>>>>> same guy even started physically assaulting one of our female
>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!!
>>>>
>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years ago. We
>>>> didnt have that much power to do that. ;-).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only shows
>>>>> your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping your head
>>>>> stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark).
>>>>>
>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert that
>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance.
>>>
>>> I never said it was the norm.
>>>
>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever happens.
>>>
>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere.
>>>
>>> To assert otherwise is a lie.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think this law
>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This is not
>> the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was more than
>> clear.
>
>
> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like.
>
> Randy
>
What?


From: Carbon on
On Thu, 13 May 2010 09:23:50 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:

> Liberals don't do security.

I'll make a deal with you: you don't say stupid things and I won't think
you're stupid.
From: Carbon on
On Tue, 11 May 2010 23:12:13 -0700, dene wrote:
> "kenpitts" <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0c522f75-0d64-48e8-
>bac9-92a7bb5e6399(a)a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
>> The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals
>> charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo.
>
> Bingo. My point exactly.

US constitution begs to differ.
From: Carbon on
On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:01:45 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <08aa20a5-5d71-4a75-b127-d34cdbb5e645
> @a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
>> On May 12, 5:55 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:24:29 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4be9f0e7$0$19807$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>
>>>>> There is NO WAY that all these undocumented workers are doing
>>>>> enough damage to the country to justify the cost of hunting them
>>>>> down and getting rid of them.
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to Arizona.
>>>
>>> They're certainly going to spend a lot of money with their new
>>> pogrom.
>>
>> They sure are. What are they going to do with the people they arrest
>> under the new law? Drive them to the ICE Field Office in Phoenix and
>> dump them there? Arizona is a huge state. Or will they call the ICE
>> office and demand that they come and get them, then hold them for a
>> week or more until someone from ICE can take an entire day out of his
>> schedule to go pick them up? The AZ law doesn't give local
>> jurisdictions authority to deport illegal aliens - only to arrest
>> them.
>
> The law is having its intended effect.

Which effect is that? Wasting money?