From: Carbon on
On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:03:06 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <363c5786-7a94-41bc-9a6e-
> 43633cdfd6bb(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're a cretin and a fool.
>>>>
>>>>> At leat I am willing to do something about problems.
>>>>
>>>> Really? What are you willing to do? Go down to the border and kill
>>>> a few yourself? I bet you'd enjoy that.
>>>
>>> I am willing to start talking about the problem and offering ideas
>>> and solutions. Something your are ill equiped to do.
>>
>> The "ideas and solutions" you've offered are disgusting and
>> reprehensible. I would no sooner try to have an intelligent debate
>> with you than with Idi Amin.
>
> Your solution to grant amnesty is disgusting and reprehensible. It
> didn't work last time and won't work this time.

Earth to Bert. No one suggested amnesty. Please learn to read.
From: John B. on
On May 13, 6:01 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <08aa20a5-5d71-4a75-b127-d34cdbb5e645
> @a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 5:55 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:24:29 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> > > > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:4be9f0e7$0$19807$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
> > > >> There is NO WAY that all these undocumented workers are doing enough
> > > >> damage to the country to justify the cost of hunting them down and
> > > >> getting rid of them.
>
> > > > Tell that to Arizona.
>
> > > They're certainly going to spend a lot of money with their new pogrom..
>
> > They sure are. What are they going to do with the people they arrest
> > under the new law? Drive them to the ICE Field Office in Phoenix and
> > dump them there? Arizona is a huge state. Or will they call the ICE
> > office and demand that they come and get them, then hold them for a
> > week or more until someone from ICE can take an entire day out of his
> > schedule to go pick them up? The AZ law doesn't give local
> > jurisdictions authority to deport illegal aliens - only to arrest
> > them.
>
> The law is having its intended effect.

How do you know? They just passed the goddamn thing.
From: John B. on
On May 13, 6:03 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <363c5786-7a94-41bc-9a6e-
> 43633cdfd...(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
>
> > > > > > You're a cretin and a fool.
>
> > > > > At leat I am willing to do something about problems.
>
> > > > Really? What are you willing to do? Go down to the border and kill a
> > > > few yourself? I bet you'd enjoy that.
>
> > > I am willing to start talking about the problem and offering ideas and
> > > solutions. Something your are ill equiped to do.
>
> > The "ideas and solutions" you've offered are disgusting and
> > reprehensible. I would no sooner try to have an intelligent debate
> > with you than with Idi Amin.
>
> Your solution to grant amnesty is disgusting and reprehensible. It
> didn't work last time and won't work this time.

I have never proposed that. But to equate amnesty with murder is
ludicrous.
From: Carbon on
On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:03:46 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <3b97b232-6f8e-4426-9fc2-599fa76f6665
> @k42g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
>> On May 12, 6:26 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
>>> In article <4beb2457$0$4865$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:27:16 -0400, BAR wrote:
>>>>> In article <6hsju5ps13t3chal0m69rq4ad9lvt1h...(a)4ax.com>,
>>>>> bkni...(a)conramp.net says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're a cretin and a fool.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least I am willing to do something about problems.
>>>>
>>>> If your solution is shooting people in the face, then perhaps
>>>> everyone would be better off if you weren't.
>>>
>>> You have to start the discussion somewhere. I chose to start it at
>>> an extreme.
>>
>> Trying to decouple ourselves from our own despicable remarks, are we?
>> You didn't really mean that people should be killed for crossing the
>> border, you were just trying to start a discussion, right?
>>
>> Good luck with that, pal. You didn't start this discussion. Someone
>> else did.
>
> Propose a solution.

I propose the solution that industry lobbyists will require your own
party to back. Leave things largely as they are. If undocumented workers
are still willing to work 70 hour weeks for $2.50 an hour at jobs that
American's refuse to do, let them. Let them pay for benefits they are
not legally entitled to receive.

If you honestly can't see that this is a better solution than mass
murder, then you're even dumber than I thought.
From: Carbon on
On Thu, 13 May 2010 09:30:29 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4beb3703$0$18433$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:56:18 -0500, bknight wrote:
>>> On 12 May 2010 21:49:06 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:16 -0400, BAR wrote:
>>>>> In article <4be9f994$0$4884$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com>,
>>>>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene"
>>>>>>>> <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A chance to do what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you,
>>>>>>>> or anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem
>>>>>>>> because its so complicated, , but I will ask you this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that
>>>>>>>> anyone crossing our borders illegally should be summarily
>>>>>>>> killed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That only requires a simple yes or no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard
>>>>>>> problems. And, your refusal to adress the hard problems is then
>>>>>>> transferred to everyone else. You would rather sit back, throw
>>>>>>> your hands in the air and say live and let live. When in reality
>>>>>>> that attitude is what continually gets us in trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And your problem is that you insist on simple answers when there
>>>>>> are none to be had.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't know if there is a simple answer. You reject all
>>>>> possibilities except open borders.
>>>>
>>>> I did nothing of the kind. I did say that the issue is more
>>>> complicated than you realize. Which is self-evident if you believe
>>>> the answer is to murder everyone you think might be trying to cross
>>>> the border illegally.
>>>
>>> Nor have I suggested open borders. Carbs, I don't agree with your
>>> stance to open them, but certainly am not agreeable to murder.
>>
>> I don't think I ever advocated opening the borders. My suggestion was
>> to leave things as they are. I honestly don't see how undocumented
>> workers are destroying the country by working for low wages and no
>> benefits at jobs Americans refuse to do.
>
> You fail to realize that not all the people streaming over our current
> open border are not here to work.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/19/phoenix.drug.kidnappings/

Yes, thank you, I understand that. The US has certainly created a
massive crime problem with its misguided, expensive war on drugs.