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From: Carbon on 13 May 2010 19:40 On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:28:41 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <4bec86f5$0$4870$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:03:06 -0400, BAR wrote: >>> In article <363c5786-7a94-41bc-9a6e- >>> 43633cdfd6bb(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com >>> says... >>>>> >>>>>>> At leat I am willing to do something about problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Really? What are you willing to do? Go down to the border and >>>>>> kill a few yourself? I bet you'd enjoy that. >>>>> >>>>> I am willing to start talking about the problem and offering ideas >>>>> and solutions. Something your are ill equiped to do. >>>> >>>> The "ideas and solutions" you've offered are disgusting and >>>> reprehensible. I would no sooner try to have an intelligent debate >>>> with you than with Idi Amin. >>> >>> Your solution to grant amnesty is disgusting and reprehensible. It >>> didn't work last time and won't work this time. >> >> Earth to Bert. No one suggested amnesty. Please learn to read. > > Then you are in agreement that all illegal aliens should be > repatriated with their country of origin. Everyone, meet Bert. See above, where Bert demonstrates that he is incapable of any sort of mental subtlety. How sad for Bert.
From: Carbon on 13 May 2010 19:41 On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:26:41 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <fdc45510-a2e6-43d2-99bd-be8324192594 > @o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... >> On May 13, 6:03 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: >> > In article <363c5786-7a94-41bc-9a6e- >> > 43633cdfd...(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com >> > says... >> > >> > > > > > > You're a cretin and a fool. >> > >> > > > > > At leat I am willing to do something about problems. >> > >> > > > > Really? What are you willing to do? Go down to the border and >> > > > > kill a few yourself? I bet you'd enjoy that. >> > >> > > > I am willing to start talking about the problem and offering >> > > > ideas and solutions. Something your are ill equiped to do. >> > >> > > The "ideas and solutions" you've offered are disgusting and >> > > reprehensible. I would no sooner try to have an intelligent debate >> > > with you than with Idi Amin. >> > >> > Your solution to grant amnesty is disgusting and reprehensible. It >> > didn't work last time and won't work this time. >> >> I have never proposed that. But to equate amnesty with murder is >> ludicrous. > > Nobody is equating amnesty with murder. But, it gives us boundaries to > work within to come up with a solution. No, it doesn't. It gives us stupidity that we recoil in horror from.
From: Carbon on 13 May 2010 19:43 On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:33:02 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <4bec88af$0$4884$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:03:46 -0400, BAR wrote: >>> In article <3b97b232-6f8e-4426-9fc2-599fa76f6665 >>> @k42g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... >>>> On May 12, 6:26 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>> In article <4beb2457$0$4865$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>>> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:27:16 -0400, BAR wrote: >>>>>>> In article <6hsju5ps13t3chal0m69rq4ad9lvt1h...(a)4ax.com>, >>>>>>> bkni...(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're a cretin and a fool. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At least I am willing to do something about problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> If your solution is shooting people in the face, then perhaps >>>>>> everyone would be better off if you weren't. >>>>> >>>>> You have to start the discussion somewhere. I chose to start it at >>>>> an extreme. >>>> >>>> Trying to decouple ourselves from our own despicable remarks, are >>>> we? You didn't really mean that people should be killed for >>>> crossing the border, you were just trying to start a discussion, >>>> right? >>>> >>>> Good luck with that, pal. You didn't start this discussion. Someone >>>> else did. >>> >>> Propose a solution. >> >> I propose the solution that industry lobbyists will require your own >> party to back. Leave things largely as they are. If undocumented >> workers are still willing to work 70 hour weeks for $2.50 an hour at >> jobs that American's refuse to do, let them. Let them pay for >> benefits they are not legally entitled to receive. >> >> If you honestly can't see that this is a better solution than mass >> murder, then you're even dumber than I thought. > > First you need to get the terminology correct, they are illegal > aliens, not undocumented workers. > > Leaving things as they are is in effect amnesty. > > We have programs for legal immigraiton and for temporary workers. > > Mass deportation should be used for all persons in the USA illegally. > Especially those who overstay their visas. I win.
From: William Clark on 13 May 2010 20:06 In article <8531u9Fh6fU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-3F63D0.15131813052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <852go6F988U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> news:4beb3703$0$18433$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> > On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:56:18 -0500, bknight wrote: > >> >> On 12 May 2010 21:49:06 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>>On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:16 -0400, BAR wrote: > >> >>>> In article <4be9f994$0$4884$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >> >>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> >>>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR wrote: > >> >>>>>> In article <m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com>, > >> >>>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... > >> >>>>>>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> A chance to do what? > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or > >> >>>>>>> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because > >> >>>>>>> its so complicated, , but I will ask you this: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that > >> >>>>>>> anyone crossing our borders illegally should be summarily > >> >>>>>>> killed? > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> That only requires a simple yes or no. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard > >> >>>>>> problems. > >> >>>>>> And, your refusal to adress the hard problems is then transferred > >> >>>>>> to > >> >>>>>> everyone else. You would rather sit back, throw your hands in the > >> >>>>>> air and say live and let live. When in reality that attitude is > >> >>>>>> what > >> >>>>>> continually gets us in trouble. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> And your problem is that you insist on simple answers when there > >> >>>>> are > >> >>>>> none to be had. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> You don't know if there is a simple answer. You reject all > >> >>>> possibilities except open borders. > >> >>> > >> >>>I did nothing of the kind. I did say that the issue is more > >> >>>complicated > >> >>>than you realize. Which is self-evident if you believe the answer is > >> >>>to > >> >>>murder everyone you think might be trying to cross the border > >> >>>illegally. > >> >> > >> >> Nor have I suggested open borders. Carbs, I don't agree with your > >> >> stance to open them, but certainly am not agreeable to murder. > >> > > >> > I don't think I ever advocated opening the borders. My suggestion was > >> > to > >> > leave things as they are. I honestly don't see how undocumented workers > >> > are destroying the country by working for low wages and no benefits at > >> > jobs Americans refuse to do. > >> > >> You fail to realize that not all the people streaming over our current > >> open > >> border are not here to work. > >> > >> http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1 > >> > >> http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/19/phoenix.drug.kidnappings/ > > > > I think your double negative has just disemboweled your point. > > Ahh, yes that second not shouldn't be there. But you get the point. Not > Clark of course, but everyone else should. Well, we get the point that most of these illegal aliens probably do much less damage to the English language than you do.
From: Howard Brazee on 13 May 2010 21:18
On Thu, 13 May 2010 09:56:42 -0700, Don Kirkman <donsno2(a)charter.net> wrote: >In this situation it's not really a matter of guilt or innocence but >of documented or undocumented. Undocumented folks are sent home, >convicted (not-innocent) folks generally serve their time in our >facilities, at least in California, and are then turned over for >deportation--thus adding to the cost of running our jails and prisons. So I would be sent to Colorado if I didn't have my proof of citizenship? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |