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From: Alan Baker on 14 May 2010 03:45 In article <31d66a0e-d9b8-48da-976b-084ca9f79fe7(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, kenpitts <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 12, 3:12�am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article <84uuu2F6g...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > > > > > > �"dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "kenpitts" <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:0c522f75-0d64-48e8-bac9-92a7bb5e6399(a)a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > > On May 11, 12:47 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:31:59 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> > > > > > > >My question to John remains. He seems to imply that an illegal should > > > have > > > > >a chance to prove himself. I think not. > > > > > > Of course he should. That's what the American justice system is built > > > > on. Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what > > > > BAR's solution is. > > > > > > BK > > > > > The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals > > > charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. > > > > > Ken > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Bingo. �My point exactly. > > > > > -Greg > > > > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable > > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." > > > > -- > > Alan Baker > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>- Hide quoted > > text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Yeah, in your own country. Go back to Mexico and see if you can line > up all those things. No, Ken. *Your* country (and I can't believe I have to explain this to you) is founded on the belief that the rights of people they have are *inalienable* because the come from the Creator. That means that it doesn't matter whether you're a citizen or not: you have the same rights. I realize you have a bigotry problem, Ken, but surely you can read. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 14 May 2010 04:27 In article <MPG.2656547f6fa23213989efe(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <aa7f0e4a-180d-4494-bc15-6430927db7d3 > @h9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > > On May 13, 6:01�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <08aa20a5-5d71-4a75-b127-d34cdbb5e645 > > > @a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 12, 5:55�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:24:29 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > > > > > > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:4be9f0e7$0$19807$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > > > > > >> There is NO WAY that all these undocumented workers are doing > > > > > >> enough > > > > > >> damage to the country to justify the cost of hunting them down and > > > > > >> getting rid of them. > > > > > > > > > Tell that to Arizona. > > > > > > > > They're certainly going to spend a lot of money with their new > > > > > pogrom. > > > > > > > They sure are. What are they going to do with the people they arrest > > > > under the new law? Drive them to the ICE Field Office in Phoenix and > > > > dump them there? Arizona is a huge state. Or will they call the ICE > > > > office and demand that they come and get them, then hold them for a > > > > week or more until someone from ICE can take an entire day out of his > > > > schedule to go pick them up? The AZ law doesn't give local > > > > jurisdictions authority to deport illegal aliens - only to arrest > > > > them. > > > > > > The law is having its intended effect. > > > > How do you know? They just passed the goddamn thing. > > Can't think past your rage. Can't articulate your evidence for claim? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 14 May 2010 04:44 In article <59ace2a0-ef4d-4b2a-8514-301868861a6d(a)a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 12, 8:06�pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:54:31 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >On May 10, 8:20=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - and > > >> >the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? > > > > >> The many problems imposed on society by drugs being illegal will go > > >> down. > > > > >Those problems include violent crime, disease, poverty, prostitution, > > >child abuse and neglect, homelessness. Why would legalizing drugs > > >cause them to diminish? > > > > I have no doubt that legalizing drugs would reduce violent crime > > significantly. �It would reduce those diseases associated with people > > sharing needles like HIV and hepatitis. �It would probably reduce > > homelessness a bit. �Prostitution would stay about the same but women > > would no longer have to sell themselves to pay for their drug habits. > > Children of addicts would also benefit because their parent's would no > > longer be in jail and have to steal to buy drugs. > > What people fail to understand is that most of the negative things > > associated with drug abuse are the result of drugs being illegal, not > > the drugs themselves. > > You have yet to explain how or why legalizing drugs would have any of > these effects. Legal or illegal, people still have to pay for them. Because a black market charges far more for drugs than they actually cost to provide. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 14 May 2010 04:45 In article <MPG.26564053374fa0c7989ef4(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <sfjmu5h5ebhlmmtja8mpno8a503sr375gt(a)4ax.com>, > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> > > wrote: > > > > >If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to > > >trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," > > >which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is > > >deportation. > > > > What if the person is innocent? > > Any non-citizen of the US who is here legally is required to have proof > of their authority to be in the US on their person at all times. This is > a federal law and a condition of their entry into the US. > > Therefore, there can be no innocence. Cite the actual law... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: BAR on 14 May 2010 07:42
In article <va9pu51uhst8rar2kqthuicb8hbi7mjoef(a)4ax.com>, howard(a)brazee.net says... > > On Thu, 13 May 2010 17:59:35 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >> >If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to > >> >trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," > >> >which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is > >> >deportation. > >> > >> What if the person is innocent? > > > >Any non-citizen of the US who is here legally is required to have proof > >of their authority to be in the US on their person at all times. This is > >a federal law and a condition of their entry into the US. > > > >Therefore, there can be no innocence. > > Citizens can be charged with illegal entry. Any one can be charged with any thing. Courts do not have a finding of innocence, it is either guilty or not guilty. |