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From: William Clark on 14 May 2010 07:52 In article <MPG.2657015a88d3397989f04(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <alangbaker-201299.01450114052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > In article <MPG.26564053374fa0c7989ef4(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <sfjmu5h5ebhlmmtja8mpno8a503sr375gt(a)4ax.com>, > > > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to > > > > >trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," > > > > >which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is > > > > >deportation. > > > > > > > > What if the person is innocent? > > > > > > Any non-citizen of the US who is here legally is required to have proof > > > of their authority to be in the US on their person at all times. This is > > > a federal law and a condition of their entry into the US. > > > > > > Therefore, there can be no innocence. > > > > Cite the actual law... > > Sorry, Canada Boy, I'm not interested in playing your game. Game, set, and match to Alan.
From: BAR on 14 May 2010 07:51 In article <4bec8c45$0$4893$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Wed, 12 May 2010 18:26:48 -0400, BAR wrote: > > In article <4beb2457$0$4865$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:27:16 -0400, BAR wrote: > >> > In article <6hsju5ps13t3chal0m69rq4ad9lvt1h89u(a)4ax.com>, > >> > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > >> > > >> >> You're a cretin and a fool. > >> > > >> > At leat I am willing to do something about problems. > >> > >> If your solution is shooting people in the face, then perhaps everyone > >> would be better off if you weren't. > > > > You have to start the discussion somewhere. I chose to start it at an > > extreme. > > Oh I see. You propose something so mindbendingly stupid that every other > solution looks brilliant. Way to go, avoid the issue altogether. Grant everyone amnesty.
From: William Clark on 14 May 2010 07:53 In article <MPG.26570128e6ab5426989f03(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <va9pu51uhst8rar2kqthuicb8hbi7mjoef(a)4ax.com>, > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > On Thu, 13 May 2010 17:59:35 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >> >If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to > > >> >trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," > > >> >which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is > > >> >deportation. > > >> > > >> What if the person is innocent? > > > > > >Any non-citizen of the US who is here legally is required to have proof > > >of their authority to be in the US on their person at all times. This is > > >a federal law and a condition of their entry into the US. > > > > > >Therefore, there can be no innocence. > > > > Citizens can be charged with illegal entry. > > Any one can be charged with any thing. Courts do not have a finding of > innocence, it is either guilty or not guilty. They have a presumption of innocence, unless guilt can be proved. Innocent is, therefore, the status quo.
From: BAR on 14 May 2010 07:55 In article <i69pu5pg0b3590rfrd7rv7titjvin897ku(a)4ax.com>, howard(a)brazee.net says... > > On Thu, 13 May 2010 09:56:42 -0700, Don Kirkman <donsno2(a)charter.net> > wrote: > > >In this situation it's not really a matter of guilt or innocence but > >of documented or undocumented. Undocumented folks are sent home, > >convicted (not-innocent) folks generally serve their time in our > >facilities, at least in California, and are then turned over for > >deportation--thus adding to the cost of running our jails and prisons. > > So I would be sent to Colorado if I didn't have my proof of > citizenship? You seem to miss the point. If you are a citizen you do not have to carry proof on your person at all times. Your argument fails on its face. The federal law states that non-citizens are required to carry their proof of ability to be in the US on their person at all times.
From: bknight on 14 May 2010 08:41
On Fri, 14 May 2010 07:43:07 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >In article <alangbaker-201299.01450114052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, >alangbaker(a)telus.net says... >> >> In article <MPG.26564053374fa0c7989ef4(a)news.giganews.com>, >> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >> > In article <sfjmu5h5ebhlmmtja8mpno8a503sr375gt(a)4ax.com>, >> > howard(a)brazee.net says... >> > > >> > > On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > >If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to >> > > >trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," >> > > >which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is >> > > >deportation. >> > > >> > > What if the person is innocent? >> > >> > Any non-citizen of the US who is here legally is required to have proof >> > of their authority to be in the US on their person at all times. This is >> > a federal law and a condition of their entry into the US. >> > >> > Therefore, there can be no innocence. >> >> Cite the actual law... > >Sorry, Canada Boy, I'm not interested in playing your game. We know. The game of "facts" is abhorrent to you. BK |