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From: Alan Baker on 14 May 2010 14:36 In article <117824c1-788e-4af5-8479-922457a0c6fe(a)r11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 14, 4:44�am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article > > <59ace2a0-ef4d-4b2a-8514-301868861...(a)a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, > > �"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 12, 8:06�pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:54:31 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >On May 10, 8:20=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > > >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - > > > > >> >and > > > > >> >the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? > > > > > > >> The many problems imposed on society by drugs being illegal will go > > > > >> down. > > > > > > >Those problems include violent crime, disease, poverty, prostitution, > > > > >child abuse and neglect, homelessness. Why would legalizing drugs > > > > >cause them to diminish? > > > > > > I have no doubt that legalizing drugs would reduce violent crime > > > > significantly. �It would reduce those diseases associated with people > > > > sharing needles like HIV and hepatitis. �It would probably reduce > > > > homelessness a bit. �Prostitution would stay about the same but women > > > > would no longer have to sell themselves to pay for their drug habits. > > > > Children of addicts would also benefit because their parent's would no > > > > longer be in jail and have to steal to buy drugs. > > > > What people fail to understand is that most of the negative things > > > > associated with drug abuse are the result of drugs being illegal, not > > > > the drugs themselves. > > > > > You have yet to explain how or why legalizing drugs would have any of > > > these effects. Legal or illegal, people still have to pay for them. > > > > Because a black market charges far more for drugs than they actually > > cost to provide. > > > > -- > > Alan Baker > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > So does any market. It's called making a profit. Yup. But black markets charge far far more. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Don Kirkman on 14 May 2010 14:42 On Fri, 14 May 2010 07:42:17 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >In article <va9pu51uhst8rar2kqthuicb8hbi7mjoef(a)4ax.com>, >howard(a)brazee.net says... >> On Thu, 13 May 2010 17:59:35 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >> >If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to >> >> >trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," >> >> >which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is >> >> >deportation. >> >> What if the person is innocent? >> >Any non-citizen of the US who is here legally is required to have proof >> >of their authority to be in the US on their person at all times. This is >> >a federal law and a condition of their entry into the US. >> >Therefore, there can be no innocence. >> Citizens can be charged with illegal entry. >Any one can be charged with any thing. Courts do not have a finding of >innocence, it is either guilty or not guilty. It's rare, but in fact there are times when, after considering all the evidence against a defendant, the judge will pronounce him factually innocent. Even Google knows about it. Close, but only a cigarillo. -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net
From: John B. on 14 May 2010 15:00 On May 14, 1:47 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article <855cu5Ffe...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > >news:clark-593FF9.07524114052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > In article <MPG.2657015a88d3397989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <alangbaker-201299.01450114052...(a)news.shawcable.com>, > > > > alangba...(a)telus.net says... > > > > > > In article <MPG.26564053374fa0c7989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <sfjmu5h5ebhlmmtja8mpno8a503sr37...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > how...(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <lar...(a)bbz..net> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT > > sent to > > > > > > > >trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a > > "hearing," > > > > > > > >which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is > > > > > > > >deportation. > > > > > > > > What if the person is innocent? > > > > > > > Any non-citizen of the US who is here legally is required to have > > proof > > > > > > of their authority to be in the US on their person at all times.. > > This is > > > > > > a federal law and a condition of their entry into the US. > > > > > > > Therefore, there can be no innocence. > > > > > > Cite the actual law... > > > > > Sorry, Canada Boy, I'm not interested in playing your game. > > > > Game, set, and match to Alan. > > > Only you would declare a troll to be victorious. > > > -Greg > > Only you would deny the undeniable. No, there are others who would and often do.
From: Alan Baker on 14 May 2010 15:01 In article <MPG.26570424d9899a39989f0a(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <i69pu5pg0b3590rfrd7rv7titjvin897ku(a)4ax.com>, > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > On Thu, 13 May 2010 09:56:42 -0700, Don Kirkman <donsno2(a)charter.net> > > wrote: > > > > >In this situation it's not really a matter of guilt or innocence but > > >of documented or undocumented. Undocumented folks are sent home, > > >convicted (not-innocent) folks generally serve their time in our > > >facilities, at least in California, and are then turned over for > > >deportation--thus adding to the cost of running our jails and prisons. > > > > So I would be sent to Colorado if I didn't have my proof of > > citizenship? > > You seem to miss the point. If you are a citizen you do not have to > carry proof on your person at all times. Your argument fails on its > face. > > The federal law states that non-citizens are required to carry their > proof of ability to be in the US on their person at all times. Cite this law... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: BAR on 14 May 2010 16:31
In article <clark-18AE4C.11152114052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > In article <MPG.26571432bedc66d3989f0d(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <clark-A9BFC7.07535414052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > > In article <MPG.26570128e6ab5426989f03(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <va9pu51uhst8rar2kqthuicb8hbi7mjoef(a)4ax.com>, > > > > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 13 May 2010 17:59:35 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> >If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent > > > > > >> >to > > > > > >> >trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing," > > > > > >> >which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is > > > > > >> >deportation. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> What if the person is innocent? > > > > > > > > > > > >Any non-citizen of the US who is here legally is required to have > > > > > >proof > > > > > >of their authority to be in the US on their person at all times. This > > > > > >is > > > > > >a federal law and a condition of their entry into the US. > > > > > > > > > > > >Therefore, there can be no innocence. > > > > > > > > > > Citizens can be charged with illegal entry. > > > > > > > > Any one can be charged with any thing. Courts do not have a finding of > > > > innocence, it is either guilty or not guilty. > > > > > > They have a presumption of innocence, unless guilt can be proved. > > > Innocent is, therefore, the status quo. > > > > > > A presumption of innocence is not a finding of innocence. > > Yes it is, until a finding of guilty is arrived at. The "wise" ramblings of a liberal mind. |