From: Carbon on
On Fri, 14 May 2010 07:43:07 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <alangbaker-201299.01450114052010(a)news.shawcable.com>,
> alangbaker(a)telus.net says...
>> In article <MPG.26564053374fa0c7989ef4(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR
>> <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>>> In article <sfjmu5h5ebhlmmtja8mpno8a503sr375gt(a)4ax.com>,
>>> howard(a)brazee.net says...
>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT
>>>>> sent to trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a
>>>>> "hearing," which is totally different from a trial. The normal
>>>>> result is deportation.
>>>>
>>>> What if the person is innocent?
>>>
>>> Any non-citizen of the US who is here legally is required to have
>>> proof of their authority to be in the US on their person at all
>>> times. This is a federal law and a condition of their entry into the
>>> US.
>>>
>>> Therefore, there can be no innocence.
>>
>> Cite the actual law...
>
> Sorry, Canada Boy, I'm not interested in playing your game.

What game would that be? Defending your bullshit?
From: Howard Brazee on
On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:22:52 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net>
wrote:

>> Just about all presidents believe them to be above the Constitution.
>> Obama is no exception.
>
>In what way?

Some examples:
Waging undeclared war (lasting longer than legal wars).
Overstepping the 10th amendment is another way.
Nixon was famous for declaring that the Constitution didn't apply to
the president.
Guantanamo

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Alan Baker on
In article <kelru5h4stueh0ud7qgpg1u10ej9dpit7s(a)4ax.com>,
Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:22:52 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> Just about all presidents believe them to be above the Constitution.
> >> Obama is no exception.
> >
> >In what way?
>
> Some examples:
> Waging undeclared war (lasting longer than legal wars).

Whatever you may think of the undeclared wars, Obama was left holding
the bag on that one. Simply withdrawing one's troops after the thing has
been started isn't necessarily prudent.

> Overstepping the 10th amendment is another way.

In what way has Obama overstepped that?

> Nixon was famous for declaring that the Constitution didn't apply to
> the president.

Which is relevant to my question, how?

> Guantanamo

Again, Obama was left holding the bag on that.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Carbon on
On Fri, 14 May 2010 07:47:37 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <4bec8dfe$0$4883$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:28:41 -0400, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <4bec86f5$0$4870$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:03:06 -0400, BAR wrote:
>>>>> In article <363c5786-7a94-41bc-9a6e-
>>>>> 43633cdfd6bb(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At leat I am willing to do something about problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really? What are you willing to do? Go down to the border and
>>>>>>>> kill a few yourself? I bet you'd enjoy that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am willing to start talking about the problem and offering
>>>>>>> ideas and solutions. Something your are ill equiped to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "ideas and solutions" you've offered are disgusting and
>>>>>> reprehensible. I would no sooner try to have an intelligent
>>>>>> debate with you than with Idi Amin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your solution to grant amnesty is disgusting and reprehensible. It
>>>>> didn't work last time and won't work this time.
>>>>
>>>> Earth to Bert. No one suggested amnesty. Please learn to read.
>>>
>>> Then you are in agreement that all illegal aliens should be
>>> repatriated with their country of origin.
>>
>> Everyone, meet Bert. See above, where Bert demonstrates that he is
>> incapable of any sort of mental subtlety. How sad for Bert.
>
> What's the matter Carb's you don't like your own methods being used
> against you.

In general, my methods do not include stupidity. That would be your
special gift.
From: Carbon on
On Fri, 14 May 2010 07:49:59 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <4bec8e9a$0$4865$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
>> I win.
>
> You win a free trip back to Canada for overstaying your visa. Please
> turn yourself in at the US ICE office closest to your immediately.

Poor Bert.