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From: Alan Baker on 17 May 2010 12:44
In article <hsrc6a$7pn$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
"Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > In article <MPG.265798b2d7093387989f1e(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >> There were these really smart dudes about 250 years ago who had a real
> >> good understanding of human nature. When they constituted the US they
> >> made sure to put in these things called checks and balances.
> > Once again with the deliberate obtuseness, Bert?
> > In what way does Obama believe himself to be above the United States
> > Constitution?
> I don't think anybody said he was. The comment was directed at your
> interpretation of the Constitution.
You mean other than:
"Just about all presidents believe them to be above the Constitution.
Obama is no exception."
Vancouver, British Columbia
From: dene on 17 May 2010 13:38
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
On May 17, 4:03 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > In article
> > <177e36a9-3e8b-4583-90be-661b9b30c...(a)h11g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 16, 5:02 am, alan <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > > > On May 15, 10:33 am, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 14 May 2010 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >On May 14, 7:45=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:27:12 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> > > > > >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >You have yet to explain how or why legalizing drugs would have
> any of
> > > > > >> >these effects. Legal or illegal, people still have to pay for
> > > > > >> Actually it's been explained a few times already. =A0Obviously
> > > > > >> haven't been paying attention.
> > > > > >I've been paying very close attention, and you have not explained
> > > > > If you could get a reliable supply of heroin for $25 a day rather
> > > > > $500, it would be possible for addicts to get the money they neeed
> > > > > without stealing. One of the reasons that methadone was introduced
> > > > > was to allow addicts to stop comitting crimes (many violent) in
> > > > > to support their habit. It also allowed addicts to get jobs and
> > > > > resume a somewhat normal life. The addict benefited and so did the
> > > > > community.
> > > > > In addition, if drugs were legally available in a store then
> > > > > gangs wouldn't be killing each other for the right to seel drugs
> > > > > the street.
> > > > Nor would they be handing out free samples to try and get new
> > > > customers hooked.
> > > > > >> >And why are children of drug addicts better off having their
> > > > > >> >at home? Do you think junkies make good parents?
> > > > > >> If drugs were legal, they would have a lot better chance of
> > > > > >> parents.
> > > > > >A junkie is a better parent if heroin is legal than if it's
> > > > > >You can't be serious. Did the end of Prohibition make alcoholics
> > > > > >better parents?
> > > > > Did it make them worse parents?
> > > > Good point.
> > > It is not a good point at all. Making narcotics widely available,
> > > cheap and easy to buy would expand the ranks of drug addicts. Anyone
> > > who thinks a drug addict can be a responsible, productive member of
> > > society and a good spouse and parent is incredibly ignorant.
> > I'm sorry, but that is just not necessarily so.
> Wow. That's a helluva rebuttal. Ever thought about running for office.
> You got the skill of "speaking out of both sides of your mouth down pat."
Yes, he really shut me down with that. Thank God he didn't hit me with
an LOL. That would have ruined my day.
I like it when he says LOL. It's a sure sign of defeat on his part.
From: Jack Hollis on 17 May 2010 20:01
On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he was a very
>> successful salesman for a heavy equipment manufacturer. =A0The guy made
>> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring drugs. =A0During the
>> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick and at night, if
>> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, he was in better
>> shape than a lot of alcoholics are.
>Did he have kids?
No, but he was married. But there was nothing about him that would
have made it impossible to be a good parent.
From: Jack Hollis on 17 May 2010 20:08
On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:26:30 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>Is that right? Is giving birth to a heroin-addicted baby part of a
It's estimated that about 300k babies are born with exposure to drugs
and.or alcohol. Most of them are children of alcoholic mothers.
>Is neglecting your responsibilities because you're fucked
>up part of a normal life?
>Is getting into a car wreck because you're
>fucked up part of a normal life?
It's fairly common. Of course, alcohol is the main culprit here.
>Legal heroin has exactly the same
>effect on people as illegal heroin.
Physiologically yes, but socially there's a big difference.
From: Jack Hollis on 17 May 2010 20:21
On Mon, 17 May 2010 01:01:49 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com>
>> You really don't know what you're talking about.
>Please.....explain why you know what you're talking about.
I had experience with drugs from a law enforcement point of view when
I was a police officer.
I had lots of personal experience using drugs during the 60s and 70s
and had many close friends who were addicts.
I spent a lot of time studying addiction and the treatment of
addictions in graduate school.
Most of the patients I saw when I worked at Kings County Hospital in
Brooklyn were drug users and for many of them, the focus of the
treatment was drug abuse.
I was the director of an outpatient drug treatment program in East
Harlem connected to Metropolitan Hospital. I also spent time working
with the Methadone Maintenance Program and the detox unit in the same