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From: MNMikeW on 18 May 2010 12:00 "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message news:2010051617051025963-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > On 2010-05-13 18:26:17 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>> >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>>>> >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is where >>>>>>>>>>>>> police >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but they >>>>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both >>>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the US. >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in >>>>>>>>>>>>> situations >>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must be >>>>>>>>>>>> lawful >>>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot >>>>>>>>>>>> simply pull >>>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible >>>>>>>>>>> minorities >>>>>>>>>>> over like that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Like they do now right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Randy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Riiiiiiight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't >>>>>>> stop people strictly because of the color of their skin? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad apples >>>>>> in every group. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all of >>>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist cops >>>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person. >>>>>> >>>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it happened. >>>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't breaking >>>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was clear >>>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must have >>>>>> been a reason for >>>>>> the stop. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 >>>>>>> percent that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's >>>>>> reversed. ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some >>>>>>> people in a position of presumed authority, they will let their >>>>>>> presumed "power" go to their heads. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes there a few of those out there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR >>>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me removed >>>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even though >>>>>>> I had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. >>>>>>> The same guy even started physically assaulting one of our female >>>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years ago. >>>>>> We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only >>>>>>> shows your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping your >>>>>>> head stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). >>>>>>> >>>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert that >>>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. >>>>> >>>>> I never said it was the norm. >>>>> >>>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever happens. >>>>> >>>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> To assert otherwise is a lie. >>>>> >>>>> Randy >>>>> >>>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think this law >>>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This is >>>> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was more >>>> than clear. >>> >>> >>> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like. >>> >>> Randy >>> >> What? > > > Can you not read? > > Describe for me what someone who is "illegally here" looks like. > > Randy > I can read, you cant type. They can look like anybody Randy.
From: William Clark on 18 May 2010 13:27 In article <85frsnFrioU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > news:2010051617051025963-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > > On 2010-05-13 18:26:17 -0400, MNMikeW said: > > > >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >>> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >>> > >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >>>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >>>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >>>>> > >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is where > >>>>>>>>>>>>> police > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but they > >>>>>>>>>>>>> could > >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both > >>>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US > >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the US. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional > >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in > >>>>>>>>>>>>> situations > >>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies > >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must be > >>>>>>>>>>>> lawful > >>>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot > >>>>>>>>>>>> simply pull > >>>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible > >>>>>>>>>>> minorities > >>>>>>>>>>> over like that. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Like they do now right? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Randy > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Riiiiiiight. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't > >>>>>>> stop people strictly because of the color of their skin? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad apples > >>>>>> in every group. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all of > >>>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist cops > >>>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it happened. > >>>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't breaking > >>>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was clear > >>>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must have > >>>>>> been a reason for > >>>>>> the stop. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 > >>>>>>> percent that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's > >>>>>> reversed. ;-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some > >>>>>>> people in a position of presumed authority, they will let their > >>>>>>> presumed "power" go to their heads. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes there a few of those out there. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR > >>>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me removed > >>>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even though > >>>>>>> I had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. > >>>>>>> The same guy even started physically assaulting one of our female > >>>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years ago. > >>>>>> We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only > >>>>>>> shows your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping your > >>>>>>> head stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert that > >>>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. > >>>>> > >>>>> I never said it was the norm. > >>>>> > >>>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever happens. > >>>>> > >>>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. > >>>>> > >>>>> To assert otherwise is a lie. > >>>>> > >>>>> Randy > >>>>> > >>>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think this law > >>>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This is > >>>> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was more > >>>> than clear. > >>> > >>> > >>> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like. > >>> > >>> Randy > >>> > >> What? > > > > > > Can you not read? > > > > Describe for me what someone who is "illegally here" looks like. > > > > Randy > > > I can read, you cant type. They can look like anybody Randy. Who "cant" type? People living in glass houses . . .
From: MNMikeW on 18 May 2010 14:40 "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-555E15.13271718052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <85frsnFrioU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> news:2010051617051025963-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> > On 2010-05-13 18:26:17 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> > >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >>> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >>> >> >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >>>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >>>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> where >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> police >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the US. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> situations >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lawful >> >>>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot >> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply pull >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible >> >>>>>>>>>>> minorities >> >>>>>>>>>>> over like that. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Like they do now right? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Randy >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Riiiiiiight. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't >> >>>>>>> stop people strictly because of the color of their skin? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad >> >>>>>> apples >> >>>>>> in every group. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all >> >>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist >> >>>>>>> cops >> >>>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it >> >>>>>>> happened. >> >>>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't >> >>>>>>> breaking >> >>>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was >> >>>>>>> clear >> >>>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must >> >>>>>> have >> >>>>>> been a reason for >> >>>>>> the stop. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 >> >>>>>>> percent that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's >> >>>>>> reversed. ;-) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some >> >>>>>>> people in a position of presumed authority, they will let their >> >>>>>>> presumed "power" go to their heads. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Yes there a few of those out there. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR >> >>>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me >> >>>>>>> removed >> >>>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even >> >>>>>>> though >> >>>>>>> I had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. >> >>>>>>> The same guy even started physically assaulting one of our female >> >>>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years >> >>>>>> ago. >> >>>>>> We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only >> >>>>>>> shows your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping >> >>>>>>> your >> >>>>>>> head stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert >> >>>>>> that >> >>>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I never said it was the norm. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever happens. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> To assert otherwise is a lie. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Randy >> >>>>> >> >>>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think this >> >>>> law >> >>>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This is >> >>>> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was >> >>>> more >> >>>> than clear. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like. >> >>> >> >>> Randy >> >>> >> >> What? >> > >> > >> > Can you not read? >> > >> > Describe for me what someone who is "illegally here" looks like. >> > >> > Randy >> > >> I can read, you cant type. They can look like anybody Randy. > > Who "cant" type? People living in glass houses . . . Of course YOU never make typos.
From: William Clark on 18 May 2010 15:02 In article <85g589FmueU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-555E15.13271718052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <85frsnFrioU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> news:2010051617051025963-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> > On 2010-05-13 18:26:17 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> > > >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >>> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> >>> > >> >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >>>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >>>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >>>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >>>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >>>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> where > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> police > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the US. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> situations > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lawful > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply pull > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible > >> >>>>>>>>>>> minorities > >> >>>>>>>>>>> over like that. > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Like they do now right? > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Randy > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Riiiiiiight. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't > >> >>>>>>> stop people strictly because of the color of their skin? > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad > >> >>>>>> apples > >> >>>>>> in every group. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all > >> >>>>>>> of > >> >>>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist > >> >>>>>>> cops > >> >>>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it > >> >>>>>>> happened. > >> >>>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't > >> >>>>>>> breaking > >> >>>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was > >> >>>>>>> clear > >> >>>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must > >> >>>>>> have > >> >>>>>> been a reason for > >> >>>>>> the stop. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 > >> >>>>>>> percent that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's > >> >>>>>> reversed. ;-) > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some > >> >>>>>>> people in a position of presumed authority, they will let their > >> >>>>>>> presumed "power" go to their heads. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Yes there a few of those out there. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR > >> >>>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me > >> >>>>>>> removed > >> >>>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even > >> >>>>>>> though > >> >>>>>>> I had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. > >> >>>>>>> The same guy even started physically assaulting one of our female > >> >>>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years > >> >>>>>> ago. > >> >>>>>> We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only > >> >>>>>>> shows your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping > >> >>>>>>> your > >> >>>>>>> head stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert > >> >>>>>> that > >> >>>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I never said it was the norm. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever happens. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> To assert otherwise is a lie. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Randy > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think this > >> >>>> law > >> >>>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This is > >> >>>> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was > >> >>>> more > >> >>>> than clear. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like. > >> >>> > >> >>> Randy > >> >>> > >> >> What? > >> > > >> > > >> > Can you not read? > >> > > >> > Describe for me what someone who is "illegally here" looks like. > >> > > >> > Randy > >> > > >> I can read, you cant type. They can look like anybody Randy. > > > > Who "cant" type? People living in glass houses . . . > > Of course YOU never make typos. At least not when I am accusing others of not being able to type, I don't :-)
From: MNMikeW on 18 May 2010 16:11
"William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-E3894B.15024818052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <85g589FmueU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message >> news:clark-555E15.13271718052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... >> > In article <85frsnFrioU1(a)mid.individual.net>, >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> news:2010051617051025963-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> > On 2010-05-13 18:26:17 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> > >> >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >>> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >>>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> where >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> police >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the US. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> situations >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> must >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lawful >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply pull >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> visible >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> minorities >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> over like that. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Like they do now right? >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now. >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Randy >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Riiiiiiight. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police >> >> >>>>>>> don't >> >> >>>>>>> stop people strictly because of the color of their skin? >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad >> >> >>>>>> apples >> >> >>>>>> in every group. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, >> >> >>>>>>> all >> >> >>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist >> >> >>>>>>> cops >> >> >>>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it >> >> >>>>>>> happened. >> >> >>>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't >> >> >>>>>>> breaking >> >> >>>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was >> >> >>>>>>> clear >> >> >>>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must >> >> >>>>>> have >> >> >>>>>> been a reason for >> >> >>>>>> the stop. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 >> >> >>>>>>> percent that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where >> >> >>>>>> it's >> >> >>>>>> reversed. ;-) >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put >> >> >>>>>>> some >> >> >>>>>>> people in a position of presumed authority, they will let >> >> >>>>>>> their >> >> >>>>>>> presumed "power" go to their heads. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Yes there a few of those out there. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR >> >> >>>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me >> >> >>>>>>> removed >> >> >>>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even >> >> >>>>>>> though >> >> >>>>>>> I had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be >> >> >>>>>>> there. >> >> >>>>>>> The same guy even started physically assaulting one of our >> >> >>>>>>> female >> >> >>>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years >> >> >>>>>> ago. >> >> >>>>>> We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen >> >> >>>>>>> only >> >> >>>>>>> shows your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping >> >> >>>>>>> your >> >> >>>>>>> head stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly >> >> >>>>>> assert >> >> >>>>>> that >> >> >>>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> I never said it was the norm. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever >> >> >>>>> happens. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> To assert otherwise is a lie. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Randy >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think >> >> >>>> this >> >> >>>> law >> >> >>>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This >> >> >>>> is >> >> >>>> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was >> >> >>>> more >> >> >>>> than clear. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Randy >> >> >>> >> >> >> What? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Can you not read? >> >> > >> >> > Describe for me what someone who is "illegally here" looks like. >> >> > >> >> > Randy >> >> > >> >> I can read, you cant type. They can look like anybody Randy. >> > >> > Who "cant" type? People living in glass houses . . . >> >> Of course YOU never make typos. > > At least not when I am accusing others of not being able to type, I > don't :-) Sure you do. |