From: Alan Baker on
In article
<f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d4855647516c(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 18, 1:22�am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > �"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 17, 8:01�pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> >
> > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he was a very
> > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment manufacturer. =A0The guy
> > > > >> made
> > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring drugs. =A0During
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick and at night,
> > > > >> if
> > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, he was in
> > > > >> better
> > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are.
> >
> > > > >Did he have kids?
> >
> > > > No, but he was married. �But there was nothing about him that would
> > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent.
> >
> > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not rich and
> > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic.
> >
> > Being junkies for something that costs what black market drugs cost
> > helps to make them that way.
> >
> > --
> > Alan Baker
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
>
> I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all into
> responsible, productive citizens, right?

It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still being able
to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> In article
> <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d4855647516c(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> > >
> > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he was a very
> > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment manufacturer. =A0The
guy
> > > > > >> made
> > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring drugs.
=A0During
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick and at
night,
> > > > > >> if
> > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, he was in
> > > > > >> better
> > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are.
> > >
> > > > > >Did he have kids?
> > >
> > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing about him that would
> > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent.
> > >
> > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not rich and
> > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic.
> > >
> > > Being junkies for something that costs what black market drugs cost
> > > helps to make them that way.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alan Baker
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
> >
> > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all into
> > responsible, productive citizens, right?
>
> It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still being able
> to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc.

Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie.

-Greg


From: Carbon on
On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:57:05 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> news:5bmtu5po503vjfv2k9o2u6h9jq19129mer(a)4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On May 14, 7:45=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:27:12 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>>>> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You have yet to explain how or why legalizing drugs would have any
>>>>> of these effects. Legal or illegal, people still have to pay for
>>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Actually it's been explained a few times already. =A0Obviously you
>>>> haven't been paying attention.
>>>
>>> I've been paying very close attention, and you have not explained
>>> it.
>>
>> If you could get a reliable supply of heroin for $25 a day rather
>> than $500, it would be possible for addicts to get the money they
>> neeed without stealing.
>
> It would also make then do a lot more heroin.

Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about a
pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just spent
more.
From: William Clark on
In article <85gajbFouoU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:

> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark-E3894B.15024818052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <85g589FmueU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:clark-555E15.13271718052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >> > In article <85frsnFrioU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:2010051617051025963-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
> >> >> > On 2010-05-13 18:26:17 -0400, MNMikeW said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
> >> >> >>> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
> >> >> >>>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
> >> >> >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said:
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> where
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> police
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the US.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> situations
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> movies
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> must
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lawful
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply pull
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> visible
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> minorities
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> over like that.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Like they do now right?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Randy
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Riiiiiiight.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police
> >> >> >>>>>>> don't
> >> >> >>>>>>> stop people strictly because of the color of their skin?
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad
> >> >> >>>>>> apples
> >> >> >>>>>> in every group.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults,
> >> >> >>>>>>> all
> >> >> >>>>>>> of
> >> >> >>>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist
> >> >> >>>>>>> cops
> >> >> >>>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it
> >> >> >>>>>>> happened.
> >> >> >>>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't
> >> >> >>>>>>> breaking
> >> >> >>>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was
> >> >> >>>>>>> clear
> >> >> >>>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must
> >> >> >>>>>> have
> >> >> >>>>>> been a reason for
> >> >> >>>>>> the stop.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1
> >> >> >>>>>>> percent that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where
> >> >> >>>>>> it's
> >> >> >>>>>> reversed. ;-)
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put
> >> >> >>>>>>> some
> >> >> >>>>>>> people in a position of presumed authority, they will let
> >> >> >>>>>>> their
> >> >> >>>>>>> presumed "power" go to their heads.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Yes there a few of those out there.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR
> >> >> >>>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me
> >> >> >>>>>>> removed
> >> >> >>>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even
> >> >> >>>>>>> though
> >> >> >>>>>>> I had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be
> >> >> >>>>>>> there.
> >> >> >>>>>>> The same guy even started physically assaulting one of our
> >> >> >>>>>>> female
> >> >> >>>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!!
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years
> >> >> >>>>>> ago.
> >> >> >>>>>> We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-).
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen
> >> >> >>>>>>> only
> >> >> >>>>>>> shows your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping
> >> >> >>>>>>> your
> >> >> >>>>>>> head stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark).
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly
> >> >> >>>>>> assert
> >> >> >>>>>> that
> >> >> >>>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> I never said it was the norm.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever
> >> >> >>>>> happens.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> To assert otherwise is a lie.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Randy
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think
> >> >> >>>> this
> >> >> >>>> law
> >> >> >>>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This
> >> >> >>>> is
> >> >> >>>> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was
> >> >> >>>> more
> >> >> >>>> than clear.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Randy
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> What?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Can you not read?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Describe for me what someone who is "illegally here" looks like.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Randy
> >> >> >
> >> >> I can read, you cant type. They can look like anybody Randy.
> >> >
> >> > Who "cant" type? People living in glass houses . . .
> >>
> >> Of course YOU never make typos.
> >
> > At least not when I am accusing others of not being able to type, I
> > don't :-)
>
> Sure you do.

And my Dad's bigger than your Dad.
From: John B. on
On May 18, 5:32 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
>  "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > >  "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>
> > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he was a very
> > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment manufacturer. =A0The guy
> > > > > >> made
> > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring drugs. =A0During
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick and at night,
> > > > > >> if
> > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, he was in
> > > > > >> better
> > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are.
>
> > > > > >Did he have kids?
>
> > > > > No, but he was married.  But there was nothing about him that would
> > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent.
>
> > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not rich and
> > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic.
>
> > > Being junkies for something that costs what black market drugs cost
> > > helps to make them that way.
>
> > > --
> > > Alan Baker
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
>
> > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all into
> > responsible, productive citizens, right?
>
> It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still being able
> to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc.
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

And it will drive others into the gutter.