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From: Alan Baker on 18 May 2010 17:32 In article <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d4855647516c(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 18, 1:22�am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, > > �"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01�pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he was a very > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment manufacturer. =A0The guy > > > > >> made > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring drugs. =A0During > > > > >> the > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick and at night, > > > > >> if > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, he was in > > > > >> better > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are. > > > > > > >Did he have kids? > > > > > > No, but he was married. �But there was nothing about him that would > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent. > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not rich and > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic. > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black market drugs cost > > helps to make them that way. > > > > -- > > Alan Baker > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all into > responsible, productive citizens, right? It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still being able to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 18 May 2010 18:15 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d4855647516c(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > In article > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he was a very > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment manufacturer. =A0The guy > > > > > >> made > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring drugs. =A0During > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick and at night, > > > > > >> if > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, he was in > > > > > >> better > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are. > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids? > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing about him that would > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent. > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not rich and > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic. > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black market drugs cost > > > helps to make them that way. > > > > > > -- > > > Alan Baker > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all into > > responsible, productive citizens, right? > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still being able > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc. Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie. -Greg
From: Carbon on 18 May 2010 19:40 On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:57:05 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:5bmtu5po503vjfv2k9o2u6h9jq19129mer(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 14 May 2010 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT), "John B." >> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On May 14, 7:45=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:27:12 -0700 (PDT), "John B." >>>> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You have yet to explain how or why legalizing drugs would have any >>>>> of these effects. Legal or illegal, people still have to pay for >>>>> them. >>>> >>>> Actually it's been explained a few times already. =A0Obviously you >>>> haven't been paying attention. >>> >>> I've been paying very close attention, and you have not explained >>> it. >> >> If you could get a reliable supply of heroin for $25 a day rather >> than $500, it would be possible for addicts to get the money they >> neeed without stealing. > > It would also make then do a lot more heroin. Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about a pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just spent more.
From: William Clark on 18 May 2010 21:04 In article <85gajbFouoU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-E3894B.15024818052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <85g589FmueU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > >> news:clark-555E15.13271718052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> > In article <85frsnFrioU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:2010051617051025963-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >> > On 2010-05-13 18:26:17 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> >> > > >> >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >> >>> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >> >>>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >> >>>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >> >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> where > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> police > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the US. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> situations > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> movies > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> must > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lawful > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply pull > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> visible > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> minorities > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> over like that. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Like they do now right? > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now. > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> Randy > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Riiiiiiight. > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police > >> >> >>>>>>> don't > >> >> >>>>>>> stop people strictly because of the color of their skin? > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad > >> >> >>>>>> apples > >> >> >>>>>> in every group. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, > >> >> >>>>>>> all > >> >> >>>>>>> of > >> >> >>>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist > >> >> >>>>>>> cops > >> >> >>>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it > >> >> >>>>>>> happened. > >> >> >>>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't > >> >> >>>>>>> breaking > >> >> >>>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was > >> >> >>>>>>> clear > >> >> >>>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must > >> >> >>>>>> have > >> >> >>>>>> been a reason for > >> >> >>>>>> the stop. > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 > >> >> >>>>>>> percent that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where > >> >> >>>>>> it's > >> >> >>>>>> reversed. ;-) > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put > >> >> >>>>>>> some > >> >> >>>>>>> people in a position of presumed authority, they will let > >> >> >>>>>>> their > >> >> >>>>>>> presumed "power" go to their heads. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Yes there a few of those out there. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR > >> >> >>>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me > >> >> >>>>>>> removed > >> >> >>>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even > >> >> >>>>>>> though > >> >> >>>>>>> I had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be > >> >> >>>>>>> there. > >> >> >>>>>>> The same guy even started physically assaulting one of our > >> >> >>>>>>> female > >> >> >>>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years > >> >> >>>>>> ago. > >> >> >>>>>> We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen > >> >> >>>>>>> only > >> >> >>>>>>> shows your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping > >> >> >>>>>>> your > >> >> >>>>>>> head stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly > >> >> >>>>>> assert > >> >> >>>>>> that > >> >> >>>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> I never said it was the norm. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever > >> >> >>>>> happens. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> To assert otherwise is a lie. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Randy > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think > >> >> >>>> this > >> >> >>>> law > >> >> >>>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. This > >> >> >>>> is > >> >> >>>> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it was > >> >> >>>> more > >> >> >>>> than clear. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Randy > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> What? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Can you not read? > >> >> > > >> >> > Describe for me what someone who is "illegally here" looks like. > >> >> > > >> >> > Randy > >> >> > > >> >> I can read, you cant type. They can look like anybody Randy. > >> > > >> > Who "cant" type? People living in glass houses . . . > >> > >> Of course YOU never make typos. > > > > At least not when I am accusing others of not being able to type, I > > don't :-) > > Sure you do. And my Dad's bigger than your Dad.
From: John B. on 18 May 2010 21:13
On May 18, 5:32 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > In article > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he was a very > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment manufacturer. =A0The guy > > > > > >> made > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring drugs. =A0During > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick and at night, > > > > > >> if > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, he was in > > > > > >> better > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are. > > > > > > >Did he have kids? > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing about him that would > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent. > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not rich and > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic. > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black market drugs cost > > > helps to make them that way. > > > > -- > > > Alan Baker > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all into > > responsible, productive citizens, right? > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still being able > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc. > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> And it will drive others into the gutter. |