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From: John B. on 18 May 2010 21:15 On May 18, 7:40 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:57:05 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > > "Jack Hollis" <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote in message > >news:5bmtu5po503vjfv2k9o2u6h9jq19129mer(a)4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 14 May 2010 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On May 14, 7:45=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:27:12 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > >>>> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> You have yet to explain how or why legalizing drugs would have any > >>>>> of these effects. Legal or illegal, people still have to pay for > >>>>> them. > > >>>> Actually it's been explained a few times already. =A0Obviously you > >>>> haven't been paying attention. > > >>> I've been paying very close attention, and you have not explained > >>> it. > > >> If you could get a reliable supply of heroin for $25 a day rather > >> than $500, it would be possible for addicts to get the money they > >> neeed without stealing. > > > It would also make then do a lot more heroin. > > Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about a > pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just spent > more. Presumably your income went up over the years, so you could afford to spend more.
From: Carbon on 18 May 2010 21:56 On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:15:31 -0700, John B. wrote: > On May 18, 7:40 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:57:05 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>> "Jack Hollis" <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:5bmtu5po503vjfv2k9o2u6h9jq19129mer(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT), "John B." >>>> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On May 14, 7:45=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:27:12 -0700 (PDT), "John B." >>>>>> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You have yet to explain how or why legalizing drugs would have >>>>>>> any of these effects. Legal or illegal, people still have to pay >>>>>>> for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually it's been explained a few times already. =A0Obviously >>>>>> you haven't been paying attention. >>>>> >>>>> I've been paying very close attention, and you have not explained >>>>> it. >>>> >>>> If you could get a reliable supply of heroin for $25 a day rather >>>> than $500, it would be possible for addicts to get the money they >>>> neeed without stealing. >>> >>> It would also make then do a lot more heroin. >> >> Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about >> a pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just >> spent more. > > Presumably your income went up over the years, so you could afford to > spend more. Yeah, but that doesn't matter. The amount I smoked was driven by my addiction to nicotine, not by the cost.
From: dene on 18 May 2010 22:56 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4bf34561$0$22146$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:15:31 -0700, John B. wrote: > >> > >> Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about > >> a pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just > >> spent more. > > > > Presumably your income went up over the years, so you could afford to > > spend more. > > Yeah, but that doesn't matter. The amount I smoked was driven by my > addiction to nicotine, not by the cost. Glad to read you're not smelly anymore. ;> -Greg
From: John B. on 19 May 2010 09:05 On May 18, 10:56 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4bf34561$0$22146$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:15:31 -0700, John B. wrote: > > > >> Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about > > >> a pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just > > >> spent more. > > > > Presumably your income went up over the years, so you could afford to > > > spend more. > > > Yeah, but that doesn't matter. The amount I smoked was driven by my > > addiction to nicotine, not by the cost. > > Glad to read you're not smelly anymore. ;> > > -Greg I guess you're never going to hear the end of that, Carbon.
From: MNMikeW on 19 May 2010 11:39
"William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:wclark2-82D349.21045018052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <85gajbFouoU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message >> news:clark-E3894B.15024818052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... >> > In article <85g589FmueU1(a)mid.individual.net>, >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in >> >> message >> >> news:clark-555E15.13271718052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... >> >> > In article <85frsnFrioU1(a)mid.individual.net>, >> >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:2010051617051025963-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >> > On 2010-05-13 18:26:17 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >> >>> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >>>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >> >>>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >>>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >>>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> message >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> where >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> police >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the US. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> situations >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> must >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lawful >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply pull >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> visible >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> minorities >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> over like that. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Like they do now right? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Randy >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Riiiiiiight. >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police >> >> >> >>>>>>> don't >> >> >> >>>>>>> stop people strictly because of the color of their skin? >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are >> >> >> >>>>>> bad >> >> >> >>>>>> apples >> >> >> >>>>>> in every group. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible >> >> >> >>>>>>> adults, >> >> >> >>>>>>> all >> >> >> >>>>>>> of >> >> >> >>>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by >> >> >> >>>>>>> racist >> >> >> >>>>>>> cops >> >> >> >>>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it >> >> >> >>>>>>> happened. >> >> >> >>>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't >> >> >> >>>>>>> breaking >> >> >> >>>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It >> >> >> >>>>>>> was >> >> >> >>>>>>> clear >> >> >> >>>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There >> >> >> >>>>>> must >> >> >> >>>>>> have >> >> >> >>>>>> been a reason for >> >> >> >>>>>> the stop. >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that >> >> >> >>>>>>> 1 >> >> >> >>>>>>> percent that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, >> >> >> >>>>>> where >> >> >> >>>>>> it's >> >> >> >>>>>> reversed. ;-) >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put >> >> >> >>>>>>> some >> >> >> >>>>>>> people in a position of presumed authority, they will let >> >> >> >>>>>>> their >> >> >> >>>>>>> presumed "power" go to their heads. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Yes there a few of those out there. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR >> >> >> >>>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me >> >> >> >>>>>>> removed >> >> >> >>>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, >> >> >> >>>>>>> even >> >> >> >>>>>>> though >> >> >> >>>>>>> I had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be >> >> >> >>>>>>> there. >> >> >> >>>>>>> The same guy even started physically assaulting one of our >> >> >> >>>>>>> female >> >> >> >>>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few >> >> >> >>>>>> years >> >> >> >>>>>> ago. >> >> >> >>>>>> We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen >> >> >> >>>>>>> only >> >> >> >>>>>>> shows your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on >> >> >> >>>>>>> keeping >> >> >> >>>>>>> your >> >> >> >>>>>>> head stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly >> >> >> >>>>>> assert >> >> >> >>>>>> that >> >> >> >>>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> I never said it was the norm. >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever >> >> >> >>>>> happens. >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> To assert otherwise is a lie. >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> Randy >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think >> >> >> >>>> this >> >> >> >>>> law >> >> >> >>>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will. >> >> >> >>>> This >> >> >> >>>> is >> >> >> >>>> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it >> >> >> >>>> was >> >> >> >>>> more >> >> >> >>>> than clear. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Randy >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> What? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Can you not read? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Describe for me what someone who is "illegally here" looks like. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Randy >> >> >> > >> >> >> I can read, you cant type. They can look like anybody Randy. >> >> > >> >> > Who "cant" type? People living in glass houses . . . >> >> >> >> Of course YOU never make typos. >> > >> > At least not when I am accusing others of not being able to type, I >> > don't :-) >> >> Sure you do. > > And my Dad's bigger than your Dad. Yes, but your mother was a hamster. |