From: John B. on
On May 18, 7:40 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:57:05 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> > "Jack Hollis" <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:5bmtu5po503vjfv2k9o2u6h9jq19129mer(a)4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 14 May 2010 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On May 14, 7:45=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:27:12 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> >>>> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> You have yet to explain how or why legalizing drugs would have any
> >>>>> of these effects. Legal or illegal, people still have to pay for
> >>>>> them.
>
> >>>> Actually it's been explained a few times already. =A0Obviously you
> >>>> haven't been paying attention.
>
> >>> I've been paying very close attention, and you have not explained
> >>> it.
>
> >> If you could get a reliable supply of heroin for $25 a day rather
> >> than $500, it would be possible for addicts to get the money they
> >> neeed without stealing.
>
> > It would also make then do a lot more heroin.
>
> Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about a
> pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just spent
> more.

Presumably your income went up over the years, so you could afford to
spend more.
From: Carbon on
On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:15:31 -0700, John B. wrote:
> On May 18, 7:40 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:57:05 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>> "Jack Hollis" <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5bmtu5po503vjfv2k9o2u6h9jq19129mer(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>>>> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On May 14, 7:45=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:27:12 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>>>>>> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have yet to explain how or why legalizing drugs would have
>>>>>>> any of these effects. Legal or illegal, people still have to pay
>>>>>>> for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually it's been explained a few times already. =A0Obviously
>>>>>> you haven't been paying attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been paying very close attention, and you have not explained
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> If you could get a reliable supply of heroin for $25 a day rather
>>>> than $500, it would be possible for addicts to get the money they
>>>> neeed without stealing.
>>>
>>> It would also make then do a lot more heroin.
>>
>> Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about
>> a pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just
>> spent more.
>
> Presumably your income went up over the years, so you could afford to
> spend more.

Yeah, but that doesn't matter. The amount I smoked was driven by my
addiction to nicotine, not by the cost.
From: dene on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4bf34561$0$22146$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:15:31 -0700, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about
> >> a pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just
> >> spent more.
> >
> > Presumably your income went up over the years, so you could afford to
> > spend more.
>
> Yeah, but that doesn't matter. The amount I smoked was driven by my
> addiction to nicotine, not by the cost.

Glad to read you're not smelly anymore. ;>

-Greg


From: John B. on
On May 18, 10:56 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4bf34561$0$22146$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
> > On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:15:31 -0700, John B. wrote:
>
> > >> Are you sure. I used to smoke about 20 years ago. IIRC I smoked about
> > >> a pack a day. The price rose and I smoked the same amount. I just
> > >> spent more.
>
> > > Presumably your income went up over the years, so you could afford to
> > > spend more.
>
> > Yeah, but that doesn't matter. The amount I smoked was driven by my
> > addiction to nicotine, not by the cost.
>
> Glad to read you're not smelly anymore.  ;>
>
> -Greg

I guess you're never going to hear the end of that, Carbon.
From: MNMikeW on

"William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wclark2-82D349.21045018052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <85gajbFouoU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
>> news:clark-E3894B.15024818052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> > In article <85g589FmueU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
>> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:clark-555E15.13271718052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> >> > In article <85frsnFrioU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
>> >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:2010051617051025963-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>> >> >> > On 2010-05-13 18:26:17 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:2010051318202741171-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>> >> >> >>> On 2010-05-11 12:25:04 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>> news:2010051023553696677-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>> >> >> >>>>> On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>> news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>> >> >> >>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> message
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom...
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically...
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> police
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal,
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> second-generation US
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the US.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> situations
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> movies
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> must
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lawful
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply pull
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> visible
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> minorities
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> over like that.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Like they do now right?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, like they do right now.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Randy
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Riiiiiiight.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police
>> >> >> >>>>>>> don't
>> >> >> >>>>>>> stop people strictly because of the color of their skin?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are
>> >> >> >>>>>> bad
>> >> >> >>>>>> apples
>> >> >> >>>>>> in every group.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible
>> >> >> >>>>>>> adults,
>> >> >> >>>>>>> all
>> >> >> >>>>>>> of
>> >> >> >>>>>>> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by
>> >> >> >>>>>>> racist
>> >> >> >>>>>>> cops
>> >> >> >>>>>>> who just wanted to hassle a black person.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it
>> >> >> >>>>>>> happened.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't
>> >> >> >>>>>>> breaking
>> >> >> >>>>>>> any laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It
>> >> >> >>>>>>> was
>> >> >> >>>>>>> clear
>> >> >> >>>>>>> that he just wanted to intimidate my friend.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There
>> >> >> >>>>>> must
>> >> >> >>>>>> have
>> >> >> >>>>>> been a reason for
>> >> >> >>>>>> the stop.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that
>> >> >> >>>>>>> 1
>> >> >> >>>>>>> percent that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans,
>> >> >> >>>>>> where
>> >> >> >>>>>> it's
>> >> >> >>>>>> reversed. ;-)
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put
>> >> >> >>>>>>> some
>> >> >> >>>>>>> people in a position of presumed authority, they will let
>> >> >> >>>>>>> their
>> >> >> >>>>>>> presumed "power" go to their heads.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Yes there a few of those out there.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR
>> >> >> >>>>>>> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me
>> >> >> >>>>>>> removed
>> >> >> >>>>>>> from the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes,
>> >> >> >>>>>>> even
>> >> >> >>>>>>> though
>> >> >> >>>>>>> I had the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be
>> >> >> >>>>>>> there.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> The same guy even started physically assaulting one of our
>> >> >> >>>>>>> female
>> >> >> >>>>>>> reporters WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!!
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few
>> >> >> >>>>>> years
>> >> >> >>>>>> ago.
>> >> >> >>>>>> We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-).
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen
>> >> >> >>>>>>> only
>> >> >> >>>>>>> shows your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on
>> >> >> >>>>>>> keeping
>> >> >> >>>>>>> your
>> >> >> >>>>>>> head stuck firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark).
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly
>> >> >> >>>>>> assert
>> >> >> >>>>>> that
>> >> >> >>>>>> this will be the norm only shows your ignorance.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I never said it was the norm.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever
>> >> >> >>>>> happens.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> To assert otherwise is a lie.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Randy
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>> But the way this law is being painted by the left you'd think
>> >> >> >>>> this
>> >> >> >>>> law
>> >> >> >>>> does exactly that. Allows for the police to profile at will.
>> >> >> >>>> This
>> >> >> >>>> is
>> >> >> >>>> not the case at all. In fact it was modified to make sure it
>> >> >> >>>> was
>> >> >> >>>> more
>> >> >> >>>> than clear.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Describe for me what some who is "illegally here" looks like.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Randy
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> What?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Can you not read?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Describe for me what someone who is "illegally here" looks like.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Randy
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> I can read, you cant type. They can look like anybody Randy.
>> >> >
>> >> > Who "cant" type? People living in glass houses . . .
>> >>
>> >> Of course YOU never make typos.
>> >
>> > At least not when I am accusing others of not being able to type, I
>> > don't :-)
>>
>> Sure you do.
>
> And my Dad's bigger than your Dad.

Yes, but your mother was a hamster.