From: Dene on
On May 24, 11:26 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article <8617daFk7...(a)mid.individual.net>,
>
>
>
>  "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-9AA221.20051424052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > In article <860s8sFvc...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > >  "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:alangbaker-D5DF5B.19432924052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <17c588f0-857c-4abd-b7b0-9d27fb16d...(a)q39g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > >  Dene <gdst...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 24, 6:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>,
>
> > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-D14129.17300624052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > > > > > > > In article <860fkdF48...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > > > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-87D661.13473523052010(a)news.shawcable.com....
> > > > > > > > > > > In article <85ghk7F3j...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > > > > > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
>
> > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker
> > <alangba...(a)telus.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
>
> > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis
> > <xslee...(a)aol.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT),
> > "John
> > > > B."
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin
> > addict
> > > > and he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> manufacturer.
> > > > > > > > > > =A0The
> > > > > > > > > > > > guy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> made
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about
> > > > scoring
> > > > > > > > drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > =A0During
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from
> > getting
> > > > sick
> > > > > > > > and at
> > > > > > > > > > > > night,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next
> > > > morning,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> better
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing
> > > > about him
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies
> > are
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black
> > > > market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drugs
> > > > > > > > > > cost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps to make them that way.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Baker
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
>
> > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them
> > all
> > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsible, productive citizens, right?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while
> > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > -Greg
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire an alcoholic.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Neither....obviously.
>
> > > > > > > > > > -Greg
>
> > > > > > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you?
>
> > > > > > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem.
> > Besides...alcohol
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is.
>
> > > > > > > Really? And you know this, how?
>
> > > > > > Substantiate where I'm wrong.
>
> > > > > Nope.
>
> > > > > It's your claim, you substantiate it.
>
> > > > I'd be happy to, if it wasn't for the fact that a troll is demanding it.
>
> > > LOL
>
> > > Funny how you were willing to argue the point up until it actually
> > > required you to support what you claim...
>
> > LOL.
>
> > <Don't you just hate your own medicine, troll.>
>
> Not in the slightest.
>
> I note a condition that exists: you were fine with this argument until
> you were called upon to back up a claim.

The principle at hand is called, "considering the source."

-Greg


From: Dene on
On May 24, 11:26 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article <8617b6Fjt...(a)mid.individual.net>,
>
>
>
>  "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-B94593.20042624052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > In article <860s5tFut...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > >  "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I admit that Jack answered my question.   Unlike you, Jack wears big boy
> > > > pants.  Consquently, I respect him as an individual who is willing to
> > assert
> > > > ideas and substantiate his rationale, in contrast to you.  His sincere
> > > > response doesn't require a response or agreement.
>
> > > Not if you lack personal honour.
>
> > A troll talking about honour.
>
> > > You implied that there was no reason his opinion should be worth any
> > > more than your own, and even if you want to argue that point, you are
> > > nicely ducking the question of what you think his experience means as to
>
> > I implied nothing.
>
> Yes, you did.
>
>
>
> > > the value of his opinions when compared to yours.
>
> > > Please explain why *you* know what you're talking about, insurance
> > > salesman.
>
> > Explain why I don't, deadbeat.
>
> I understand. You've got nothing, insurance salesman.

On the contrary, this insurance salesman makes $13,000/mo.

-Greg
From: MNMikeW on

"Dene" <gdstrue(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:5faa3989-369c-467e-8fc9-1439548857fb(a)n37g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
On May 24, 11:26 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article <8617b6Fjt...(a)mid.individual.net>,
>
>
>
> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-B94593.20042624052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > In article <860s5tFut...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I admit that Jack answered my question. Unlike you, Jack wears big
> > > > boy
> > > > pants. Consquently, I respect him as an individual who is willing to
> > assert
> > > > ideas and substantiate his rationale, in contrast to you. His
> > > > sincere
> > > > response doesn't require a response or agreement.
>
> > > Not if you lack personal honour.
>
> > A troll talking about honour.
>
> > > You implied that there was no reason his opinion should be worth any
> > > more than your own, and even if you want to argue that point, you are
> > > nicely ducking the question of what you think his experience means as
> > > to
>
> > I implied nothing.
>
> Yes, you did.
>
>
>
> > > the value of his opinions when compared to yours.
>
> > > Please explain why *you* know what you're talking about, insurance
> > > salesman.
>
> > Explain why I don't, deadbeat.
>
> I understand. You've got nothing, insurance salesman.

On the contrary, this insurance salesman makes $13,000/mo.

-Greg

==========================================

Live to troll. Troll to live. Bakers motto.


From: MNMikeW on

"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message
news:860s8sFvc8U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-D5DF5B.19432924052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> In article
>> <17c588f0-857c-4abd-b7b0-9d27fb16d8f6(a)q39g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>> Dene <gdstrue(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On May 24, 6:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
>> > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>> > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>> > > >news:alangbaker-D14129.17300624052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> > > > > In article <860fkdF48...(a)mid.individual.net>,
>> > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>> > > > > >news:alangbaker-87D661.13473523052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> > > > > > > In article <85ghk7F3j...(a)mid.individual.net>,
>> > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>> > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> > > > > > > > > In article
>> > >
>> > > > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
>> > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net>
> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > In article
>> > >
>> > > > > >
> <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
>> > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com>
> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John
> B."
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict
> and he
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was
>> > > > a
>> > > > > > very
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> manufacturer.
>> > > > > > =A0The
>> > > > > > > > guy
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> made
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about
> scoring
>> > > > drugs.
>> > > > > > > > =A0During
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> getting
> sick
>> > > > and at
>> > > > > > > > night,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> if
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next
> morning,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he
>> > > > was
>> > > > > > in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> better
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are.
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids?
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing
> about him
>> > > > that
>> > > > > > would
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent.
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are
> not
>> > > > > > > > > > > > rich
>> > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic.
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black
> market
>> > > > > > > > > > > drugs
>> > > > > > cost
>> > > > > > > > > > > helps to make them that way.
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > > > Alan Baker
>> > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
>> > > > > > > > > > >
> <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all
> into
>> > > > > > > > > > responsible, productive citizens, right?
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while
> still
>> > > > > > > > > being
>> > > > able
>> > > > > > > > > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc.
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie.
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > -Greg
>> > >
>> > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire an alcoholic.
>> > >
>> > > > > > Neither....obviously.
>> > >
>> > > > > > -Greg
>> > >
>> > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you?
>> > >
>> > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. Besides...alcohol
> is
>> > > > not
>> > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is.
>> > >
>> > > Really? And you know this, how?
>> >
>> > Substantiate where I'm wrong.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> It's your claim, you substantiate it.
>
> I'd be happy to, if it wasn't for the fact that a troll is demanding it.
>
> -Greg
>
>
For the little pissant that he is, he is awful demanding.


From: John B. on
On May 24, 9:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-D14129.17300624052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > In article <860fkdF48...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > >  "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:alangbaker-87D661.13473523052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > > > In article <85ghk7F3j...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > > > >  "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > > > > > In article
>
> > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > >  "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article
>
> > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>
> > > > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he was
> > a
> > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment manufacturer.
> > > > =A0The
> > > > > > guy
> > > > > > > > > > > >> made
> > > > > > > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring
> > drugs.
> > > > > > =A0During
> > > > > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick
> > and at
> > > > > > night,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> if
> > > > > > > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, he
> > was
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > >> better
> > > > > > > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing about him
> > that
> > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not rich
> > and
> > > > > > > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic.
>
> > > > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black market drugs
> > > > cost
> > > > > > > > > helps to make them that way.
>
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Alan Baker
> > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
>
> > > > > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all into
> > > > > > > > responsible, productive citizens, right?
>
> > > > > > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still being
> > able
> > > > > > > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc.
>
> > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie.
>
> > > > > > -Greg
>
> > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire an alcoholic.
>
> > > > Neither....obviously.
>
> > > > -Greg
>
> > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you?
>
> > No.  I advocate not adding to an existing problem.  Besides...alcohol is not
> > addicting to the majority of the public.  Meth is.
>
> Really? And you know this, how?
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you guess are
alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth would you
guess are addicts?