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From: dene on 25 May 2010 11:47 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:f2f2b894-dae9-43f1-8b59-355f541d2748(a)o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com... On May 24, 9:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. Besides...alcohol is not > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is. > > Really? And you know this, how? > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you guess are alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth would you guess are addicts? --------------------------------------------------------------- You expect a troll to answer that question? -Greg
From: Alan Baker on 25 May 2010 16:51 In article <f2f2b894-dae9-43f1-8b59-355f541d2748(a)o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 24, 9:24�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > > > > > > �"dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > >news:alangbaker-D14129.17300624052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > In article <860fkdF48...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > �"dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:alangbaker-87D661.13473523052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > In article <85ghk7F3j...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > �"dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was > > > a > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment > > > > > > > > > > > > >> manufacturer. > > > > > =A0The > > > > > > > guy > > > > > > > > > > > > >> made > > > > > > > > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring > > > drugs. > > > > > > > =A0During > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick > > > and at > > > > > > > night, > > > > > > > > > > > > >> if > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > >> better > > > > > > > > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing about him > > > that > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black market > > > > > > > > > > drugs > > > > > cost > > > > > > > > > > helps to make them that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Alan Baker > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > > > > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all into > > > > > > > > > responsible, productive citizens, right? > > > > > > > > > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still > > > > > > > > being > > > able > > > > > > > > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc. > > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie. > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire an alcoholic. > > > > > > > Neither....obviously. > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > > > No. �I advocate not adding to an existing problem. �Besides...alcohol is > > > not > > > addicting to the majority of the public. �Meth is. > > > > Really? And you know this, how? > > > > -- > > Alan Baker > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you guess are > alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth would you > guess are addicts? I'd say a far higher percentage that there are alcoholics among people who drink alcohol. Now: What would making alcohol illegal do to the percentage of people who drink alcohol who are alcoholics? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 25 May 2010 16:51 In article <8629glF1fqU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:f2f2b894-dae9-43f1-8b59-355f541d2748(a)o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com... > On May 24, 9:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. Besides...alcohol is > not > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is. > > > > Really? And you know this, how? > > > > -- > > Alan Baker > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you guess are > alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth would you > guess are addicts? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > You expect a troll to answer that question? > > -Greg LOL -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: John B. on 25 May 2010 17:17 On May 25, 4:51 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article > <f2f2b894-dae9-43f1-8b59-355f541d2...(a)o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 24, 9:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > >news:alangbaker-D14129.17300624052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > In article <860fkdF48...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > > >news:alangbaker-87D661.13473523052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > In article <85ghk7F3j...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B.." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and he > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was > > > > a > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> manufacturer. > > > > > > =A0The > > > > > > > > guy > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> made > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about scoring > > > > drugs. > > > > > > > > =A0During > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting sick > > > > and at > > > > > > > > night, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> if > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he > > > > was > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> better > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing about him > > > > that > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black market > > > > > > > > > > > drugs > > > > > > cost > > > > > > > > > > > helps to make them that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Baker > > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > > > > > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web..jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all into > > > > > > > > > > responsible, productive citizens, right? > > > > > > > > > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still > > > > > > > > > being > > > > able > > > > > > > > > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc. > > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie. > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire an alcoholic. > > > > > > > Neither....obviously. > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. Besides...alcohol is > > > > not > > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is. > > > > Really? And you know this, how? > > > > -- > > > Alan Baker > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you guess are > > alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth would you > > guess are addicts? > > I'd say a far higher percentage that there are alcoholics among people > who drink alcohol. I'd say you're dead wrong. Most people who drink are not alcoholics. Many, if not most, people who use meth, crack or heroin are addicts. > > Now: > > What would making alcohol illegal do to the percentage of people who > drink alcohol who are alcoholics? > I don't know or care because it's irrelevant to the question of drug legalization.
From: Alan Baker on 25 May 2010 17:17
In article <8624nqF3rjU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > news:860s8sFvc8U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > news:alangbaker-D5DF5B.19432924052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >> In article > >> <17c588f0-857c-4abd-b7b0-9d27fb16d8f6(a)q39g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, > >> Dene <gdstrue(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> > >> > On May 24, 6:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >> > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >> > > >news:alangbaker-D14129.17300624052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >> > > > > In article <860fkdF48...(a)mid.individual.net>, > >> > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >> > > > > >news:alangbaker-87D661.13473523052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >> > > > > > > In article <85ghk7F3j...(a)mid.individual.net>, > >> > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >> > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >> > > > > > > > > In article > >> > > > >> > > > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, > >> > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > In article > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, > >> > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John > > B." > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict > > and he > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was > >> > > > a > >> > > > > > very > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> manufacturer. > >> > > > > > =A0The > >> > > > > > > > guy > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> made > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about > > scoring > >> > > > drugs. > >> > > > > > > > =A0During > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> getting > > sick > >> > > > and at > >> > > > > > > > night, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> if > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next > > morning, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he > >> > > > was > >> > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> better > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are. > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids? > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing > > about him > >> > > > that > >> > > > > > would > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent. > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are > > not > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rich > >> > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic. > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black > > market > >> > > > > > > > > > > drugs > >> > > > > > cost > >> > > > > > > > > > > helps to make them that way. > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > > > > > Alan Baker > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all > > into > >> > > > > > > > > > responsible, productive citizens, right? > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while > > still > >> > > > > > > > > being > >> > > > able > >> > > > > > > > > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie. > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > -Greg > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire an alcoholic. > >> > > > >> > > > > > Neither....obviously. > >> > > > >> > > > > > -Greg > >> > > > >> > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > >> > > > >> > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. Besides...alcohol > > is > >> > > > not > >> > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is. > >> > > > >> > > Really? And you know this, how? > >> > > >> > Substantiate where I'm wrong. > >> > >> Nope. > >> > >> It's your claim, you substantiate it. > > > > I'd be happy to, if it wasn't for the fact that a troll is demanding it. > > > > -Greg > > > > > For the little pissant that he is, he is awful demanding. I'm not in the slightest demanding, Mike. I'm *observing*. In this case, I observe that Greg was happy to argue until someone actually asked him to provide some support for his claims. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |