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From: John B. on 25 May 2010 17:17 On May 25, 4:51 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <8629glF1f...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:f2f2b894-dae9-43f1-8b59-355f541d2748(a)o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com.... > > On May 24, 9:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. Besides...alcohol is > > not > > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is. > > > > Really? And you know this, how? > > > > -- > > > Alan Baker > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you guess are > > alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth would you > > guess are addicts? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > You expect a troll to answer that question? > > > -Greg > > LOL > Bam! He nailed you again, Greg.
From: Alan Baker on 25 May 2010 17:35 In article <302b0f2d-24dd-44de-a3f7-2622fe128882(a)o12g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 25, 4:51�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article > > <f2f2b894-dae9-43f1-8b59-355f541d2...(a)o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, > > �"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 24, 9:24�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > �"dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:alangbaker-D14129.17300624052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > In article <860fkdF48...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > �"dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-87D661.13473523052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > > In article <85ghk7F3j...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > > �"dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > �"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was > > > > > a > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> manufacturer. > > > > > > > =A0The > > > > > > > > > guy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> scoring > > > > > drugs. > > > > > > > > > =A0During > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> sick > > > > > and at > > > > > > > > > night, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he > > > > > was > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > that > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black > > > > > > > > > > > > market > > > > > > > > > > > > drugs > > > > > > > cost > > > > > > > > > > > > helps to make them that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Baker > > > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jp > > > > > > > > > > > > g> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > responsible, productive citizens, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while still > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie. > > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire an alcoholic. > > > > > > > > > Neither....obviously. > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > > > > > No. �I advocate not adding to an existing problem. �Besides...alcohol > > > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > addicting to the majority of the public. �Meth is. > > > > > > Really? And you know this, how? > > > > > > -- > > > > Alan Baker > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > > > What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you guess are > > > alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth would you > > > guess are addicts? > > > > I'd say a far higher percentage that there are alcoholics among people > > who drink alcohol. > > I'd say you're dead wrong. Most people who drink are not alcoholics. > Many, if not most, people who use meth, crack or heroin are addicts. I'm agreeing that there is a higher percentage of meth users who are addicted than alcohol users who are alcoholics. > > > > > Now: > > > > What would making alcohol illegal do to the percentage of people who > > drink alcohol who are alcoholics? > > > I don't know or care because it's irrelevant to the question of drug > legalization. It's completely relevant to the point you made. People who are not alcoholics -- people who are not addicted to alcohol -- many would stop drinking if it were made as illegal as meth is, but fewer alcohol addicts would stop. Hence the percentage of alcohol users who are addicted would rise. I'm pointing out that the difference in the legal status of the two substances skews meth users towards addicted. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 25 May 2010 17:35 In article <bac55b2b-639b-471a-9e17-927a1b6e83b2(a)q23g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 25, 4:51�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article <8629glF1f...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > > > > > > �"dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:f2f2b894-dae9-43f1-8b59-355f541d2748(a)o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com... > > > On May 24, 9:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > > > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. Besides...alcohol is > > > not > > > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is. > > > > > > Really? And you know this, how? > > > > > > -- > > > > Alan Baker > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > > > What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you guess are > > > alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth would you > > > guess are addicts? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > You expect a troll to answer that question? > > > > > -Greg > > > > LOL > > > Bam! He nailed you again, Greg. Too easy, really. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Dene on 25 May 2010 21:40 On May 25, 2:17 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <8624nqF3r...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > >news:860s8sFvc8U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > >news:alangbaker-D5DF5B.19432924052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > >> In article > > >> <17c588f0-857c-4abd-b7b0-9d27fb16d...(a)q39g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, > > >> Dene <gdst...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> > On May 24, 6:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >> > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > >> > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > >> > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > >> > > >news:alangbaker-D14129.17300624052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > >> > > > > In article <860fkdF48...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > >> > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > >> > > > > >news:alangbaker-87D661.13473523052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > >> > > > > > > In article <85ghk7F3j...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > >> > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > >> > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > >> > > > > > > > > In article > > > >> > > > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups..com>, > > >> > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT), "John > > > B." > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a heroin addict > > > and he > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was > > >> > > > a > > >> > > > > > very > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy equipment > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> manufacturer. > > >> > > > > > =A0The > > >> > > > > > > > guy > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> made > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to worry about > > > scoring > > >> > > > drugs. > > >> > > > > > > > =A0During > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep from > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> getting > > > sick > > >> > > > and at > > >> > > > > > > > night, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> if > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. =A0The next > > > morning, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he > > >> > > > was > > >> > > > > > in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> better > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids? > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was nothing > > > about him > > >> > > > that > > >> > > > > > would > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good parent. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most junkies are > > > not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > >> > > > and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs what black > > > market > > >> > > > > > > > > > > drugs > > >> > > > > > cost > > >> > > > > > > > > > > helps to make them that way. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Alan Baker > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to turn them all > > > into > > >> > > > > > > > > > responsible, productive citizens, right? > > > >> > > > > > > > > It will certainly help some maintain themselves while > > > still > > >> > > > > > > > > being > > >> > > > able > > >> > > > > > > > > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc. > > > >> > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie. > > > >> > > > > > > > -Greg > > > >> > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire an alcoholic. > > > >> > > > > > Neither....obviously. > > > >> > > > > > -Greg > > > >> > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > >> > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. Besides...alcohol > > > is > > >> > > > not > > >> > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is. > > > >> > > Really? And you know this, how? > > > >> > Substantiate where I'm wrong. > > > >> Nope. > > > >> It's your claim, you substantiate it. > > > > I'd be happy to, if it wasn't for the fact that a troll is demanding it. > > > > -Greg > > > For the little pissant that he is, he is awful demanding. > > I'm not in the slightest demanding, Mike. I'm *observing*. > > In this case, I observe that Greg was happy to argue until someone > actually asked him to provide some support for his claims. I'm always happy to back up my opinion unless the question comes from a pissant troll. -Greg
From: Dene on 25 May 2010 21:41
On May 25, 2:17 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 25, 4:51 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <8629glF1f...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:f2f2b894-dae9-43f1-8b59-355f541d2748(a)o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com.... > > > On May 24, 9:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. Besides...alcohol is > > > not > > > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is. > > > > > Really? And you know this, how? > > > > > -- > > > > Alan Baker > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > > What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you guess are > > > alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth would you > > > guess are addicts? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > You expect a troll to answer that question? > > > > -Greg > > > LOL > > Bam! He nailed you again, Greg.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - John was being sarcastic. The joke is on you.....troll. -Greg |