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From: Alan Baker on 27 May 2010 02:58 In article <866j2oFa2kU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-C86487.01322226052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article > > <9429f0c5-ab7b-4fb3-8e7e-5f9a6c00974d(a)11g2000prv.googlegroups.com>, > > Dene <gdstrue(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 25, 7:17 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <8c46bbc7-aee3-4c59-b515-8ca0b3679...(a)11g2000prv.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dene <gdst...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 25, 2:35 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > <302b0f2d-24dd-44de-a3f7-2622fe128...(a)o12g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On May 25, 4:51 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <f2f2b894-dae9-43f1-8b59-355f541d2...(a)o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 24, 9:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article <860kgdFr8...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-D14129.17300624052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <860fkdF48...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-87D661.13473523052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <85ghk7F3j...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in > message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >news:alangbaker-CE0843.14323318052010(a)news.shawcable.co > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >m... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <f60067b2-63ec-4af0-8ab5-d48556475...(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups > > > > > > > > > > > .com > > > > > > > > > > > >, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 1:22 am, Alan Baker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <a420c80e-7878-42af-b5eb-74279c58b...(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegro > > > > > > > > > > > > > ups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 8:01 pm, Jack Hollis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <xslee...(a)aol.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:19:02 -0700 > (PDT), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I had a close friend who was a > heroin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> successful salesman for a heavy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > equipment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> manufacturer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > =A0The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> tons of money and never had to > worry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> scoring > > > > > > > > > > > drugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =A0During > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> day he'd take enough smack to keep > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> sick > > > > > > > > > > > and at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he wanted, he would get wasted. > =A0The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> he > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> shape than a lot of alcoholics are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did he have kids? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, but he was married. But there was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have made it impossible to be a good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this may surprise you, but most > junkies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > successful. Most are poor and pathetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being junkies for something that costs > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > black > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > market > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > cost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps to make them that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Baker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF016 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2/we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b.jp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see. And lowering the price is going to > turn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsible, productive citizens, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will certainly help some maintain > themselves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to hold down a job, buy food, shelter, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire a junkie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Name an employer who wants to hire an alcoholic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither....obviously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So then you advocate making alcohol illegal do you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I advocate not adding to an existing problem. > > > > > > > > > > > Besides...alcohol > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > addicting to the majority of the public. Meth is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really? And you know this, how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Alan Baker > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > > > > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What percentage of people who ever drink alcohol would you > guess > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > alcoholics? And what percentage of those who ever use meth > would > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > guess are addicts? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd say a far higher percentage that there are alcoholics > among > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > who drink alcohol. > > > > > > > > > > > I'd say you're dead wrong. Most people who drink are not > alcoholics. > > > > > > > Many, if not most, people who use meth, crack or heroin are > addicts. > > > > > > > > > > I'm agreeing that there is a higher percentage of meth users who > are > > > > > > addicted than alcohol users who are alcoholics. > > > > > > > > > Didn't I assert that in an earlier post? It's no wonder you troll. > > > > > You simply do not have the intellect to carry on a normal > discussion. > > > > > > > > No. That is not what you asserted. > > > > > > > > What a pity you can't even comprehend what you've written yourself. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Alan Baker > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>- Hide > quoted > > > > text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > I know exactly what I said, troll. Of course there is a higher > > > percentage of addiction, per capita, between meth users and those > > > drink alcohol. Meth is far more addictive, which is why it's so > > > dangerous. Only an idiot and a troll would demand I cite the obvious. > > > > No. You cannot draw that conclusion from your stated "facts". > > > > Meth is illegal to a degree that people who aren't addicted to it avoid > > using it at all for the reason of its illegality. Hence, there is a skew > > of the statistics towards those who *are* addicted. > > So....if Meth were legal, then the percentage of addicts would be the same, > per capita, as alcoholics? Did I say the same? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 27 May 2010 12:28 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-03B06B.23581626052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <866j2oFa2kU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > So....if Meth were legal, then the percentage of addicts would be the same, > > per capita, as alcoholics? > > Did I say the same? Ah. A question instead of answer. How familiar. If the percentage of addicts for Meth users were higher than alcoholics, then it would substantiate that Meth is more addictive than alcohol. You know that, which is precisely why you will not answer the question. -Greg
From: John B. on 27 May 2010 13:52 On May 27, 12:28 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > news:alangbaker-03B06B.23581626052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > In article <866j2oFa2...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > So....if Meth were legal, then the percentage of addicts would be the > same, > > > per capita, as alcoholics? > > > Did I say the same? > > Ah. A question instead of answer. How familiar. If the percentage of > addicts for Meth users were higher than alcoholics, then it would > substantiate that Meth is more addictive than alcohol. > > You know that, which is precisely why you will not answer the question. > > -Greg There is no question that meth is more addictive. One of the factors that cause people to get addicted to speed is that the "crash" is so unpleasant that they take more to avoid it. I saw a lot of this in high school and I'm lucky I didn't get hooked on it myself. It's a pernicious drug and alcohol does not compare.
From: BAR on 28 May 2010 19:26 In article <alangbaker-EE719F.09335528052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > > > Are you so obtuse as to not understand that there are options besides > > > slaughtering them at the border and waving them through? Do you > > > really, truly believe that the only way to stop people from crossing > > > the border illegally is to kill them? > > > > What is your solution? I see lots of words from you but no solutions. > > So you think that if I dont' have a instant solution to a complex > problem, that means it's suddenly OK to murder people? If you haven't thought about the issue why are you jumping into the middle of a discussion about it? Oh wait, that's what you do.
From: Alan Baker on 28 May 2010 19:30
In article <MPG.266a1b34d624ef81989fb5(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <alangbaker-EE719F.09335528052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > > > > > Are you so obtuse as to not understand that there are options besides > > > > slaughtering them at the border and waving them through? Do you > > > > really, truly believe that the only way to stop people from crossing > > > > the border illegally is to kill them? > > > > > > What is your solution? I see lots of words from you but no solutions. > > > > So you think that if I dont' have a instant solution to a complex > > problem, that means it's suddenly OK to murder people? > > If you haven't thought about the issue why are you jumping into the > middle of a discussion about it? Where did I say I hadn't thought about it? > > Oh wait, that's what you do. At least I don't advocate murder. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |