Liberal solution to illegal immigration
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From: John B. on 30 May 2010 15:59 On May 30, 3:36 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On Sun, 30 May 2010 09:05:18 -0400, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> > wrote: > > >I'd deport them for the first offense. It costs too much money to > >detain someone. Prison time would be appropriate for a second > >offense. Next I would make it impossible for any illegal alien to > >ever become a citizen and children born to illegal's in the US are not > >citizens. > > Prisons these days are extremely expensive. And we are paying for > them. > > >Of course, the people who really belong in prison are the people who > >hire illegal's as workers. > > Make it easy and cheap to check legality. This applies especially for > small businesses, but should also apply for the guy looking for > someone to help with his backyard project. > > -- > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace > to the legislature, and not to the executive department." > > - James Madison That makes sense. How hard would it be for the government to create a website that employers could use to check the validity of a job- seeker's visa or green card? They created one for gun-buyers.
From: BAR on 30 May 2010 16:34 In article <3b86f156-afe4-4a0d-90ab-2a304bc022b7 @e34g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On May 30, 12:00�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > In article <52eee518-8b54-40b8-9060-32fee504e16d@ > > 31g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 9:05�am, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 28 May 2010 19:33:25 -0400, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >I find it highly interesting that your friends form south of the US > > > > >border will jail illegal aliens for two years for their first offense > > > > >and jail them for ten years for their second offense. Do you support > > > > >this? Do you support this? Do you believe that the US should adopt this? > > > > > > I'd deport them for the first offense. �It costs too much money to > > > > detain someone. �Prison time would be appropriate for a second > > > > offense. �Next I would make it impossible for any illegal alien to > > > > ever become a citizen and children born to illegal's in the US are not > > > > citizens. > > > > > > Of course, the people who really belong in prison are the people who > > > > hire illegal's as workers. � > > > > > The woman who cleans my house is Hispanic. I have no idea what her > > > immigration status is. Does that make me a criminal? If everyone who > > > hired illegal aliens were to be imprisoned, we'd have to build a whole > > > hell of lot of new prisons. > > > > Yes it does make you a criminal if she legally allowed to work in the > > US. > > Under what law am I a criminal? The same one that Kimba Wood was guilty of and hat to withdraw from being nominated to AG.
From: BAR on 30 May 2010 16:35 In article <ic4506hnrtpdrbmv4hcpffatfqtaumsm2c(a)4ax.com>, xsleeper(a)aol.com says... > > On Sun, 30 May 2010 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Of course, the people who really belong in prison are the people who > >> hire illegal's as workers. =A0 > > > >The woman who cleans my house is Hispanic. I have no idea what her > >immigration status is. Does that make me a criminal? If everyone who > >hired illegal aliens were to be imprisoned, we'd have to build a whole > >hell of lot of new prisons. > > Do you pay her off the books? > > That would compound your criminality assuming that she is an illegal. That's right State and Federal labor laws come into play.
From: BAR on 30 May 2010 16:38 In article <fb9b5123-3744-4e20-94a9-62c83ec8fc97 @q36g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On May 30, 12:28�pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 30 May 2010 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Of course, the people who really belong in prison are the people who > > >> hire illegal's as workers. =A0 > > > > >The woman who cleans my house is Hispanic. I have no idea what her > > >immigration status is. Does that make me a criminal? If everyone who > > >hired illegal aliens were to be imprisoned, we'd have to build a whole > > >hell of lot of new prisons. > > > > Do you pay her off the books? > > > > That would compound your criminality assuming that she is an illegal. > > Off what books? She comes, she cleans the house, we pay her, she > leaves. Do you pay workers comp? Do you pay the employers share of FICA and all of the other required taxes. You do know she doesn't qualify as an independent contractor.
From: Alan Baker on 30 May 2010 19:45
In article <MPG.266c96f05219e49e989fcd(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <fb9b5123-3744-4e20-94a9-62c83ec8fc97 > @q36g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > > On May 30, 12:28�pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 May 2010 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Of course, the people who really belong in prison are the people who > > > >> hire illegal's as workers. =A0 > > > > > > >The woman who cleans my house is Hispanic. I have no idea what her > > > >immigration status is. Does that make me a criminal? If everyone who > > > >hired illegal aliens were to be imprisoned, we'd have to build a whole > > > >hell of lot of new prisons. > > > > > > Do you pay her off the books? > > > > > > That would compound your criminality assuming that she is an illegal. > > > > Off what books? She comes, she cleans the house, we pay her, she > > leaves. > > Do you pay workers comp? Do you pay the employers share of FICA and all > of the other required taxes. > > You do know she doesn't qualify as an independent contractor. How do you know that, Bert; knowing as you do, absolutely nothing of her working situation. If she comes in once a week for 20 different households, who each pay her for the service, how would she not be an independent contractor? I don't know that she is, mind you, but you're the one making the definite pronouncements with absolutely no knowledge of the circumstances (other than she is paid to clean John's house). -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |