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From: BAR on 1 Jun 2010 19:42 In article <a6615909-f7db-4d1e-a4e3-e915d2029c30 @c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On Jun 1, 7:06�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article <MPG.266f596163adf470989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > �BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <b2oa06laafgju7v1438dbvsmempedb8...(a)4ax.com>, > > > xslee...(a)aol.com says... > > > > > > On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:50:28 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >As I said, I don't know about your specific situation, but all those who > > > > >posted that she must be an employee in the eyes of the IRS are simply > > > > >wrong. > > > > > > No one, as far as I know said she had to be an employee, but the way > > > > he explained it it's very likely that she is. �However, either way the > > > > money paid to her, once it passes a certain amount (used to be $600 a > > > > year) has to be reported to the IRS. > > > > > She doesn't qualify as an independent contractor. She can't determine > > > when and where she cleans your house. > > > > A plumber can't determine when: he has to make an appointment with you. > > > > He can't determine where: he has to do it where the plumbing is. > > > > Why is it necessarily different with a house cleaner? > > > It isn't. Bert doesn't know what he's talking about. He never does. Right! Did you put your home cleaning out for a bid or RFP / RFQ? http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=99921,00.html Your cleaning lady is your employee.
From: Alan Baker on 1 Jun 2010 21:46 In article <MPG.266f64dbff755fa3989fd8(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <a6615909-f7db-4d1e-a4e3-e915d2029c30 > @c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > > On Jun 1, 7:06�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > In article <MPG.266f596163adf470989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > �BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > In article <b2oa06laafgju7v1438dbvsmempedb8...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > xslee...(a)aol.com says... > > > > > > > > On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:50:28 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >As I said, I don't know about your specific situation, but all those > > > > > >who > > > > > >posted that she must be an employee in the eyes of the IRS are > > > > > >simply > > > > > >wrong. > > > > > > > > No one, as far as I know said she had to be an employee, but the way > > > > > he explained it it's very likely that she is. �However, either way > > > > > the > > > > > money paid to her, once it passes a certain amount (used to be $600 a > > > > > year) has to be reported to the IRS. > > > > > > > She doesn't qualify as an independent contractor. She can't determine > > > > when and where she cleans your house. > > > > > > A plumber can't determine when: he has to make an appointment with you. > > > > > > He can't determine where: he has to do it where the plumbing is. > > > > > > Why is it necessarily different with a house cleaner? > > > > > It isn't. Bert doesn't know what he's talking about. He never does. > > Right! > > Did you put your home cleaning out for a bid or RFP / RFQ? Did you put your last plumbing job out for bid or RFP/RFQ? > > http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=99921,00.html > > Your cleaning lady is your employee. Under some circumstances, not under others. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 1 Jun 2010 22:02 In article <8m6b06hbrphonoo7mvitoelthhic46faon(a)4ax.com>, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:14:12 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > > >> If you pay a housekeeper $1700 a year, then you must report it. > >> > >> BK > > > >Not if he/she is an independent contractor. > > > "The IRS does not have the money or resources to audit everyone each > year. Thank God! To compensate for this, it requires taxpayers to file > certain information tax forms. The 1099-MISC is one such form. It > covers a surprising number of payments, but the most common is for > payments totaling $600 or more to independent contractors. For > example, if your CPA is a sole proprietor and you pay him $1,000, then > you must report it." > > http://www.businesstaxrecovery.com/2009-deadlines-1099-MISC-independent-contra > ctors That is for businesses. " . Who Must Issue 1099-MISCs . Step 1 Determine if you have a trade or business. If you are operating for the purpose of making a gain or profit, you have a trade or business. . Step 2 Determine if you run a nonprofit organization, a taxable farmers cooperative, a government agency, or a trust of a qualified pension or profit-sharing employer plan. These are considered trades or businesses for 1099-MISC purposes. . Step 3 Calculate if you paid $600 or more during the tax year in the course of your trade or business to an individual or partnership. Professional fees to an attorney, doctor or other professional are included. Payments to corporations are included only if they are for medical, health care, legal or fishing activities." <http://www.ehow.com/how_13664_know-issue-1099.html> And if that isn't enough to convince you: "Trade or business reporting only. Report on Form only when payments are made in the course of your trade or business. Personal payments are not reportable. You are engaged in a trade or business if you operate for gain or profit. However, nonprofit organizations are considered to be engaged in a trade or business and are subject to these requirements. Organizations also subject to these requirements include trusts of qualified pension or profit-sharing plans of employers, certain organizations exempt under section 501(c) or (d), farmers' cooperatives that are exempt from tax under section 521, and widely held fixed investment trusts. Payments by federal, state, or local Reminder government agencies are also reportable." <http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1099msc.pdf> So let's be clear here: Have an independent contractor come in to do work in your home that is not "in the course of your trade or business" and you don't have to file anything. Once again: do you have to file when you have a plumber come in to fix the kitchen sink? No. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 1 Jun 2010 22:58 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-3FF630.19025901062010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <8m6b06hbrphonoo7mvitoelthhic46faon(a)4ax.com>, > Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:14:12 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > > wrote: > > > > >> If you pay a housekeeper $1700 a year, then you must report it. > > >> > > >> BK > > > > > >Not if he/she is an independent contractor. > > > > > > "The IRS does not have the money or resources to audit everyone each > > year. Thank God! To compensate for this, it requires taxpayers to file > > certain information tax forms. The 1099-MISC is one such form. It > > covers a surprising number of payments, but the most common is for > > payments totaling $600 or more to independent contractors. For > > example, if your CPA is a sole proprietor and you pay him $1,000, then > > you must report it." > > > > http://www.businesstaxrecovery.com/2009-deadlines-1099-MISC-independent-contra > > ctors > > That is for businesses. > > " . Who Must Issue 1099-MISCs > . Step 1 > > Determine if you have a trade or business. If you are operating for the > purpose of making a gain or profit, you have a trade or business. > . Step 2 > > Determine if you run a nonprofit organization, a taxable farmers > cooperative, a government agency, or a trust of a qualified pension or > profit-sharing employer plan. These are considered trades or businesses > for 1099-MISC purposes. > . Step 3 > > Calculate if you paid $600 or more during the tax year in the course of > your trade or business to an individual or partnership. Professional > fees to an attorney, doctor or other professional are included. Payments > to corporations are included only if they are for medical, health care, > legal or fishing activities." > > <http://www.ehow.com/how_13664_know-issue-1099.html> > > And if that isn't enough to convince you: > > "Trade or business reporting only. Report on Form only when payments > are made in the course of your trade or business. Personal payments are > not reportable. You are engaged in a trade or business if you operate > for gain or profit. However, nonprofit organizations are considered to > be engaged in a trade or business and are subject to these > requirements. Organizations also subject to these requirements include > trusts of qualified pension or profit-sharing plans of employers, > certain organizations exempt under section 501(c) or (d), farmers' > cooperatives that are exempt from tax under section 521, and widely > held fixed investment trusts. Payments by federal, state, or local > Reminder government agencies are also reportable." > > <http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1099msc.pdf> > > So let's be clear here: > > Have an independent contractor come in to do work in your home that is > not "in the course of your trade or business" and you don't have to file > anything. > > Once again: do you have to file when you have a plumber come in to fix > the kitchen sink? No. Pretty remarkable. Would any of us Yanks care about the tax code of Canada. No. But then again, we have real lives to live. -Greg
From: Alan Baker on 1 Jun 2010 23:03
In article <86lvfpFqf5U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-3FF630.19025901062010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <8m6b06hbrphonoo7mvitoelthhic46faon(a)4ax.com>, > > Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:14:12 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> If you pay a housekeeper $1700 a year, then you must report it. > > > >> > > > >> BK > > > > > > > >Not if he/she is an independent contractor. > > > > > > > > > "The IRS does not have the money or resources to audit everyone each > > > year. Thank God! To compensate for this, it requires taxpayers to file > > > certain information tax forms. The 1099-MISC is one such form. It > > > covers a surprising number of payments, but the most common is for > > > payments totaling $600 or more to independent contractors. For > > > example, if your CPA is a sole proprietor and you pay him $1,000, then > > > you must report it." > > > > > > > http://www.businesstaxrecovery.com/2009-deadlines-1099-MISC-independent-contra > > > ctors > > > > That is for businesses. > > > > " . Who Must Issue 1099-MISCs > > . Step 1 > > > > Determine if you have a trade or business. If you are operating for the > > purpose of making a gain or profit, you have a trade or business. > > . Step 2 > > > > Determine if you run a nonprofit organization, a taxable farmers > > cooperative, a government agency, or a trust of a qualified pension or > > profit-sharing employer plan. These are considered trades or businesses > > for 1099-MISC purposes. > > . Step 3 > > > > Calculate if you paid $600 or more during the tax year in the course of > > your trade or business to an individual or partnership. Professional > > fees to an attorney, doctor or other professional are included. Payments > > to corporations are included only if they are for medical, health care, > > legal or fishing activities." > > > > <http://www.ehow.com/how_13664_know-issue-1099.html> > > > > And if that isn't enough to convince you: > > > > "Trade or business reporting only. Report on Form only when payments > > are made in the course of your trade or business. Personal payments are > > not reportable. You are engaged in a trade or business if you operate > > for gain or profit. However, nonprofit organizations are considered to > > be engaged in a trade or business and are subject to these > > requirements. Organizations also subject to these requirements include > > trusts of qualified pension or profit-sharing plans of employers, > > certain organizations exempt under section 501(c) or (d), farmers' > > cooperatives that are exempt from tax under section 521, and widely > > held fixed investment trusts. Payments by federal, state, or local > > Reminder government agencies are also reportable." > > > > <http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1099msc.pdf> > > > > So let's be clear here: > > > > Have an independent contractor come in to do work in your home that is > > not "in the course of your trade or business" and you don't have to file > > anything. > > > > Once again: do you have to file when you have a plumber come in to fix > > the kitchen sink? No. > > Pretty remarkable. Would any of us Yanks care about the tax code of Canada. > No. I care about little things like the truth. > > But then again, we have real lives to live. Which is why you took time out to write your useless reply! -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |