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From: BAR on 6 May 2010 07:53 In article <63b5u5lb6amtgr63b3tlq8r0hr021s53pi(a)4ax.com>, howard(a)brazee.net says... > > On Wed, 5 May 2010 20:44:50 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I'm not at all convinced we can make a physical border that will stop > >> enough. � And there are illegal Asians and Europeans entering via the > >> Canadian border. > >> > >Israel has completely sealed its border. Nobody can enter the country > >without their knowing about it. We can do that too. > > Israel's border is much, much smaller, and they spend a tremendous > amount on border security. We just don't have the political will to seal our borders. How much money is spent on supporting illegal aliens once they are in the USA? Why are we supporting illegal aliens? We should put them of the first bus back to the Canadian or Mexican border.
From: John B. on 6 May 2010 09:03 On May 5, 11:52 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 5, 11:36 am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 5 May 2010 11:21:30 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> > > wrote: > > > >=========================================== > > >The only people willing to do farm labor for less than min wage are > > >illegal's. With unemployment around 10% I would imagine there are more than > > >a few what would do it. > > > Then why aren't they? The simple fact of cheap Mexican labor is that > > they're willing to work hard for little money.....Americans aren't. > > > The U.S. is to blame for the Mexican dope trade too. Guess who's > > buying it? > > > So if we could find American workers who wouldn't mind hard work, and > > lay off heroin products, it would go a long way in fixing both > > problems. :-) > > > BK > > I happen to kinow there are many construction jobs where the > superintendant will not hire anyone but an illegal Mexican. Two > reasons, skilled craftsmen and lower wages. I know this from a retired > superintendant. > > They have renovated very near my area at work. I can hear what goes on > every day for weeks now. Every single worker speaks exclusively > Spanish. And the Mexican foreman was the only one I heard that could > speak English at any level with the contractor and the facilities > manager at the plant. We're talking defense plant here. Bottom line at > least 50% of these guys are here illegally. They should be on the next > bus to Nuevo Laredo. If they won't even certify this job, will they > certify any job? > > Send the illegals back. We have done it before. The labor situation > will right itself as the free market dictates. I guarantee there will > be people (perm residents and citizens) willing to take those > slaughterhouse jobs. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback > > Before you take off on me about racism, I work for a Hispanic manager > and we get along great. Guess what, he agrees with me 100% because his > family all came here legally. So did my wife and all my in-laws. > > Ken- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Try to imagine what it would take and what it would be like to round up 12m people and deport them. It would be extremely expensive and difficult. Police kicking down doors every day and night all across the country. TV images of poor Latinos and their children being dragged, crying, from their mobile homes and forced onto buses. Long lines of buses at the Mexican border. And what about the millions who came from Guatemala and El Salvador? Do we fly them back to their countries of origin? What if the Guatemalan and Salvadoran governments won't let the planes land? There would be so many negative consequences, you could write a book about them. We can't afford to do this, either financially or politically. And there simply aren't 12m Americans who are willing to do the dirty jobs that the illegal aliens do.
From: John B. on 6 May 2010 09:09 On May 6, 12:54 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <t0e3u59l82g1f7i53jt4jsofo7f7b81...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > On Wed, 5 May 2010 13:05:33 -0400, "Frank Ketchum" > > <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > ><bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > >news:d873u51f2k5rtc9lsamj7esp79nqhm787a(a)4ax.com... > > >> On Wed, 5 May 2010 11:21:30 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> > > >> wrote: > > > >>>=========================================== > > >>>The only people willing to do farm labor for less than min wage are > > >>>illegal's. With unemployment around 10% I would imagine there are more > > >>>than > > >>>a few what would do it. > > > >> Then why aren't they? The simple fact of cheap Mexican labor is that > > >> they're willing to work hard for little money.....Americans aren't. > > > >> The U.S. is to blame for the Mexican dope trade too. Guess who's > > >> buying it? > > > >> So if we could find American workers who wouldn't mind hard work, and > > >> lay off heroin products, it would go a long way in fixing both > > >> problems. :-) > > > >Americans are plenty willing to work hard, they are just unwilling to work > > >hard at the wage level that all of the illegals are. > > > There are plenty of them whose unemployment is about to run out. Think > > they'll stoop (no pun intended) to this kind of work then? > > > <clip> > > >Laying off drugs? Not going to happen. How about legalizing the drugs? > > >That actually would work. > > > Marijuana only. You can't be serious about legalizing heroin, > > cocaine or meth. > > I am. > > What business has the state in telling you what you do to yourself? > This is not a simple matter of what one does to oneself. Drug addicts impose costs on society. They commit crimes to get money for drugs. They can't hold jobs. They go on welfare. They get sick and require medical care they can't pay for. They have children that they can't properly care for and those children grow up to be screw-ups who impose further costs on society.
From: John B. on 6 May 2010 09:13 On May 6, 2:40 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <84f553Fm3...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >news:alangbaker-2DD8BA.21542905052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > In article <t0e3u59l82g1f7i53jt4jsofo7f7b81...(a)4ax.com>, > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > I am. > > > > What business has the state in telling you what you do to yourself? > > > Because few men are islands. Getting stoned everyday has a direct effect on > > other people. Duh! > > Such as? > > > > > Go back to nitpicking and leave sincere discussion to grownups. > > LOL > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> "LOL" is a very weak rhetorical device.
From: John B. on 6 May 2010 09:13
On May 6, 2:40 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <84f553Fm3...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >news:alangbaker-2DD8BA.21542905052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > In article <t0e3u59l82g1f7i53jt4jsofo7f7b81...(a)4ax.com>, > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > I am. > > > > What business has the state in telling you what you do to yourself? > > > Because few men are islands. Getting stoned everyday has a direct effect on > > other people. Duh! > > Such as? > > > > > Go back to nitpicking and leave sincere discussion to grownups. > > LOL > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> "LOL" is a very weak rhetorical device. |