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From: Alan Baker on 6 May 2010 12:56 In article <84ga11Fr99U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-98304B.23405105052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <84f553Fm3qU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > news:alangbaker-2DD8BA.21542905052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > In article <t0e3u59l82g1f7i53jt4jsofo7f7b81mno(a)4ax.com>, > > > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > > > > I am. > > > > > > > > What business has the state in telling you what you do to yourself? > > > > > > > > > > Because few men are islands. Getting stoned everyday has a direct > effect on > > > other people. Duh! > > Children for example. Drug users spawn. You think somebody high on Meth is > a good parent. Duh! You think that drug prohibition is preventing this? Duh! -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 6 May 2010 13:26 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-BBDD34.09552206052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > They can't hold jobs. They go on welfare. They get sick and require > > medical care they can't pay for. They have children that they can't > > properly care for and those children grow up to be screw-ups who > > impose further costs on society. > > They're doing all that *now*. And the problem would worsen if it were legal. Duh! -Greg
From: dene on 6 May 2010 13:27 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-2B009B.09562006052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <84ga11Fr99U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > news:alangbaker-98304B.23405105052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > In article <84f553Fm3qU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > news:alangbaker-2DD8BA.21542905052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > In article <t0e3u59l82g1f7i53jt4jsofo7f7b81mno(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am. > > > > > > > > > > What business has the state in telling you what you do to yourself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because few men are islands. Getting stoned everyday has a direct > > effect on > > > > other people. Duh! > > > > Children for example. Drug users spawn. You think somebody high on Meth is > > a good parent. Duh! > > You think that drug prohibition is preventing this? Duh! Actually I do. In some cases it the consequences of prison leads to rehabilitation. Robert Downey Jr. is an example. -Greg
From: John B. on 6 May 2010 13:25 On May 6, 12:55 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article > <ac09e4e5-0f23-446d-8b62-6c139ab82...(a)o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 6, 12:54 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > In article <t0e3u59l82g1f7i53jt4jsofo7f7b81...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > On Wed, 5 May 2010 13:05:33 -0400, "Frank Ketchum" > > > > <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > > > ><bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:d873u51f2k5rtc9lsamj7esp79nqhm787a(a)4ax.com... > > > > >> On Wed, 5 May 2010 11:21:30 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>>=========================================== > > > > >>>The only people willing to do farm labor for less than min wage are > > > > >>>illegal's. With unemployment around 10% I would imagine there are more > > > > >>>than > > > > >>>a few what would do it. > > > > > >> Then why aren't they? The simple fact of cheap Mexican labor is that > > > > >> they're willing to work hard for little money.....Americans aren't. > > > > > >> The U.S. is to blame for the Mexican dope trade too. Guess who's > > > > >> buying it? > > > > > >> So if we could find American workers who wouldn't mind hard work, and > > > > >> lay off heroin products, it would go a long way in fixing both > > > > >> problems. :-) > > > > > >Americans are plenty willing to work hard, they are just unwilling to > > > > >work > > > > >hard at the wage level that all of the illegals are. > > > > > There are plenty of them whose unemployment is about to run out. Think > > > > they'll stoop (no pun intended) to this kind of work then? > > > > > <clip> > > > > >Laying off drugs? Not going to happen. How about legalizing the drugs? > > > > >That actually would work. > > > > > Marijuana only. You can't be serious about legalizing heroin, > > > > cocaine or meth. > > > > I am. > > > > What business has the state in telling you what you do to yourself? > > > This is not a simple matter of what one does to oneself. Drug addicts > > impose costs on society. They commit crimes to get money for drugs. > > They do that mostly *because* of drug prohibition. Black markets are > expensive markets. > > > They can't hold jobs. They go on welfare. They get sick and require > > medical care they can't pay for. They have children that they can't > > properly care for and those children grow up to be screw-ups who > > impose further costs on society. > > They're doing all that *now*. > > -- No kidding they're doing it now. Are you so naive that you think legalizing drugs will eliminate these problems?
From: MNMikeW on 6 May 2010 13:46
"R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message news:2010050612185780173-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > > The rest of your recommendation is not all that far off from what has been > proposed. > > Although I find it quite odd that you omitted one important part of the > puzzle: securing the border. > > That has to happen first. > > Second, you have to eliminate their reason for crossing the border -- > by preventing undocumented workers from being hired. There are several > ways to do this, starting with penalizing employers to hire illegals. And > I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of an ID card (I have one, it's > called a Social Security card). > > Third, you're going to have to allow a pathway to citizenship. They have > to go to the back of the line, like anybody else. They have to be taxed > (most already are), and they have to pay a fine. Then get in line. But a > pathway to citizenship is the best way. > We seem to get it. Why can't the politicians? Above is exactly what needs to be done. |