From: Jack Hollis on
On Thu, 6 May 2010 07:33:41 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

>The Democrats are supported by big banking, big oil (BP) and Goldman
>Sachs.

The Republicans get money from these sources as well, but just not as
much. Of course, if big business sense that the tide is turning to
the Republicans then the Republicans will get the most. Big business
is very flexible.
From: kenpitts on
On May 6, 8:21 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 6, 8:48 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On May 6, 8:03 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On May 5, 11:52 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On May 5, 11:36 am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
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> > > > > On Wed, 5 May 2010 11:21:30 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com>
> > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > >===========================================
> > > > > >The only people willing to do farm labor for less than min wage are
> > > > > >illegal's. With unemployment around 10% I would imagine there are more than
> > > > > >a few what would do it.
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> > > > > Then why aren't they?   The simple fact of cheap Mexican labor is that
> > > > > they're willing to work hard for little money.....Americans aren't.
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> > > > > The U.S. is to blame for the Mexican dope trade too.  Guess who's
> > > > > buying it?
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> > > > > So if we could find American workers who wouldn't mind hard work, and
> > > > > lay off heroin products, it would go a long way in fixing both
> > > > > problems.  :-)
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> > > > > BK
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> > > > I happen to kinow there are many construction jobs where the
> > > > superintendant will not hire anyone but an illegal Mexican. Two
> > > > reasons, skilled craftsmen and lower wages. I know this from a retired
> > > > superintendant.
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> > > > They have renovated very near my area at work. I can hear what goes on
> > > > every day for weeks now. Every single worker speaks exclusively
> > > > Spanish. And the Mexican foreman was the only one I heard that could
> > > > speak English at any level with the contractor and the facilities
> > > > manager at the plant. We're talking defense plant here. Bottom line at
> > > > least 50% of these guys are here illegally. They should be on the next
> > > > bus to Nuevo Laredo. If they won't even certify this job, will they
> > > > certify any job?
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> > > > Send the illegals back. We have done it before. The labor situation
> > > > will right itself as the free market dictates. I guarantee there will
> > > > be people (perm residents and citizens) willing to take those
> > > > slaughterhouse jobs.
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> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
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> > > > Before you take off on me about racism, I work for a Hispanic manager
> > > > and we get along great. Guess what, he agrees with me 100% because his
> > > > family all came here legally. So did my wife and all my in-laws.
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> > > Try to imagine what it would take and what it would be like to round
> > > up 12m people and deport them. It would be extremely expensive and
> > > difficult. Police kicking down doors every day and night all across
> > > the country. TV images of poor Latinos and their children being
> > > dragged, crying, from their mobile homes and forced onto buses. Long
> > > lines of buses at the Mexican border. And what about the millions who
> > > came from Guatemala and El Salvador? Do we fly them back to their
> > > countries of origin? What if the Guatemalan and Salvadoran governments
> > > won't let the planes land? There would be so many negative
> > > consequences, you could write a book about them.
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> > > We can't afford to do this, either financially or politically. And
> > > there simply aren't 12m Americans who are willing to do the dirty jobs
> > > that the illegal aliens do.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Send them back We have to start somewhere. As it is we are doing
> > nothing and they are a huge burden. I say we cannot afford not to do
> > it.
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> > The free market will take care of the jobs that are vacated. Maybe the
> > conditions or the technology will have to improve. Your solution is no
> > solution.
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> > Ken
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> They are a huge burden in communities along the border. Their presence
> here has no appreciable effect on the national economy.
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> Finding them all, confirming their status and sending them all back
> would cost hundreds of billions of dollars.- Hide quoted text -
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I would bet the ranch California's economic crisis would be far less
without all the illegal aliens.

Ken
From: John B. on
On May 6, 9:10 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 May 2010 20:39:37 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
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> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 5, 8:21=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 5 May 2010 10:22:09 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
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> >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Closing the border and finding a fair and reasonable way to assimilate
> >> >those who are here, expect those who have committed crimes in the U.S..
> >> >Rounding up 7m people and herding them across the border is not a
> >> >plausible solution.
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> >> If you make it impossible for them to work and get any type of
> >> benefits, they'll go home on their own.
>
> >What you don't understand is that it's impossible to work where they
> >came from. That's why they're here.
>
> Exactly, if it was impossible for them to work here they'd stay home.
> Why would they make the trip for nothing.

How would we make it impossible for them to work here?
From: Jack Hollis on
On Thu, 6 May 2010 06:09:21 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>> What business has the state in telling you what you do to yourself?
>>
>This is not a simple matter of what one does to oneself. Drug addicts
>impose costs on society. They commit crimes to get money for drugs.
>They can't hold jobs. They go on welfare. They get sick and require
>medical care they can't pay for. They have children that they can't
>properly care for and those children grow up to be screw-ups who
>impose further costs on society.

Virtually all of these problems are caused not by the drugs thenselves
but by the fact that drugs are illegal.
From: John B. on
On May 6, 9:17 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:d32c1ec4-35ef-400f-8e99-a55adab8f730(a)24g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> On May 5, 8:21 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
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> > On Wed, 5 May 2010 10:22:09 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
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> > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Closing the border and finding a fair and reasonable way to assimilate
> > >those who are here, expect those who have committed crimes in the U.S.
> > >Rounding up 7m people and herding them across the border is not a
> > >plausible solution.
>
> > If you make it impossible for them to work and get any type of
> > benefits, they'll go home on their own.
>
> What you don't understand is that it's impossible to work where they
> came from. That's why they're here.
>
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> Ah....victim speak.
> Employing them certainly isn't America's responsibility
>
> -Greg

I didn't say it was.