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From: John B. on 4 May 2010 21:28 On May 4, 5:44 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:cb413622-2da1-415b-8b59-4e2f16cc6ba6(a)e1g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > On May 4, 12:28 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "Howard Brazee" <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > > >news:5s10u5999v9sgj93s7n0u6ug65gmabv604(a)4ax.com... > > > > Neither true Liberals nor true Conservatives all agree. Only the > > > non-thinkers accept someone else's opinions completely. > > > > One proposal I've seen from the left which has a better chance of > > > working than the rightest proposals is to provide better and cheaper > > > ways for employers to verify a person's right to work. This could > > > be with a bio-metric ID card. > > > I like this idea. Frankly, I don't see what the fuss is with the Az. law. > > If you have a driver's license, you're legal. If not, prove otherwise. > > > -Greg > > Having a drivers license doesn't make you legal. Not having one > doesn't make you illegal. The problem with the AZ law is that police > departments and officers who like it are going to enforce it zealously > and those that don't are going to ignore it. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > That's better than the liberal solution, i.e. better than nothing. > > -Greg The liberal solution is not "nothing." It's to have comprehensive, nationwide immigration reform.
From: kenpitts on 4 May 2010 23:42 On May 4, 6:43 am, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > Neither true Liberals nor true Conservatives all agree. Only the > non-thinkers accept someone else's opinions completely. > > One proposal I've seen from the left which has a better chance of > working than the rightest proposals is to provide better and cheaper > ways for employers to verify a person's right to work. This could > be with a bio-metric ID card. > > -- > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace > to the legislature, and not to the executive department." > > - James Madison I agree. Verification for everyone on a payroll. Believe it or not, I work at a defense contractor and the guys who just renovated the area next to mine were all speaking Spanish. I would bet less than a quarter of them should have been working at all. Send them all back where they came from. It cheapens the accomplishments of those who immigrated legally. Ken
From: F. Kurgan Gringioni on 5 May 2010 04:00 "kenpitts" <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:98a188d6-a41b-43e4-95c2-707417275d89(a)r11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... > I agree. Verification for everyone on a payroll. Believe it or not, I > work at a defense contractor and the guys who just renovated the area > next to mine were all speaking Spanish. I would bet less than a > quarter of them should have been working at all. > > Send them all back where they came from. It cheapens the > accomplishments of those who immigrated legally. When I built a house in the late 90's, I hired illegals for some jobs and paid them in cash. The illegals were the only ones standing on a "certain corner" waiting for jobs. I didn't see any American kids waiting there for work. If someone came all the way to this country to work, I'm gonna give 'em work if I need something done for which they are suitable. If the American kids wanted the jobs, I would've hired 'em, but I never saw a single American kid there.
From: BAR on 5 May 2010 07:52 In article <381be576-838e-4120-b7e3-3cd6524f05e7 @e35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On May 4, 5:44�pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:cb413622-2da1-415b-8b59-4e2f16cc6ba6(a)e1g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > > On May 4, 12:28 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Howard Brazee" <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:5s10u5999v9sgj93s7n0u6ug65gmabv604(a)4ax.com... > > > > > > Neither true Liberals nor true Conservatives all agree. Only the > > > > non-thinkers accept someone else's opinions completely. > > > > > > One proposal I've seen from the left which has a better chance of > > > > working than the rightest proposals is to provide better and cheaper > > > > ways for employers to verify a person's right to work. This could > > > > be with a bio-metric ID card. > > > > > I like this idea. Frankly, I don't see what the fuss is with the Az. law. > > > If you have a driver's license, you're legal. If not, prove otherwise. > > > > > -Greg > > > > Having a drivers license doesn't make you legal. Not having one > > doesn't make you illegal. The problem with the AZ law is that police > > departments and officers who like it are going to enforce it zealously > > and those that don't are going to ignore it. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > That's better than the liberal solution, i.e. better than nothing. > > > > -Greg > > The liberal solution is not "nothing." It's to have comprehensive, > nationwide immigration reform. Exactly what is "comprehensive, nationwide immigration reform?"
From: R&B on 5 May 2010 08:06
On 2010-05-05 07:52:21 -0400, BAR said: > In article <381be576-838e-4120-b7e3-3cd6524f05e7 > @e35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... >> >> On May 4, 5:44�pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:cb413622-2da1-415b-8b59-4e2f16cc6ba6(a)e1g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... >>> On May 4, 12:28 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> "Howard Brazee" <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote in message >>> >>>> news:5s10u5999v9sgj93s7n0u6ug65gmabv604(a)4ax.com... >>> >>>>> Neither true Liberals nor true Conservatives all agree. Only the >>>>> non-thinkers accept someone else's opinions completely. >>> >>>>> One proposal I've seen from the left which has a better chance of >>>>> working than the rightest proposals is to provide better and cheaper >>>>> ways for employers to verify a person's right to work. This could >>>>> be with a bio-metric ID card. >>> >>>> I like this idea. Frankly, I don't see what the fuss is with the Az. law. >>>> If you have a driver's license, you're legal. If not, prove otherwise. >>> >>>> -Greg >>> >>> Having a drivers license doesn't make you legal. Not having one >>> doesn't make you illegal. The problem with the AZ law is that police >>> departments and officers who like it are going to enforce it zealously >>> and those that don't are going to ignore it. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> That's better than the liberal solution, i.e. better than nothing. >>> >>> -Greg >> >> The liberal solution is not "nothing." It's to have comprehensive, >> nationwide immigration reform. > > Exactly what is "comprehensive, nationwide immigration reform?" You don't read much. "Comprehensive immigration reform" has been explained thousands of times already. In fact, it was proposed by George W. Bush. Randy |