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From: dene on 7 May 2010 12:52 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:tre8u517glo059bbbndn6o05ofppcm0qmg(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:00:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > > > ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >news:oi48u5lepg7vmo2ed396ibac51c81asftp(a)4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 08:05:30 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >Leftys don't want borders. > >> > > >> Why do you make such statements???? > >> > >> There's too much "righty", "lefty" bullshit being thrown around, just > >> disparaging epithets tossed out at anyone who disagrees with another's > >> thoughts . Everything isn't dependent on political thought. > >> > >> I don't know anyone that doesn't want to see the influx of illegal's > >> contained. Absolutely no one, and I'll bet that you can't come up > >> with anyone either. > >> > >> The problem is way to complicated for the simplistic pap that's > >> proposed here though. > > > >Ok. What are your ideas to "contain" the problem? > > > >-Greg > > > I'm smart enough to know that I don't have the answers. > > BK Then why ridicule the intelligence of those who present their ideas? -Greg
From: dene on 7 May 2010 12:58 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1egqf6(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:10:14 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > > > >"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >news:alangbaker-37FBCB.08595907052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >> In article <ZpWEn.49$Ak3.47(a)newsfe16.iad>, > >> "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > >> > >> Legalizing drugs is far from a conservative stance, Bobby. Very > >liberal > >> > >> indeed. > >> > > > >> > > Actually, it is hard-core libertarian. > >> > > >> > True, which explains why I support it. > >> > >> As do I. > > > >Uh huh. > > > >-Greg > > > > I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I support > legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal > there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do > so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad > with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. > > BK Exactly. I have a former client/friend who was a successful businessman, church elder, and family man. He tried Meth once and was immediately hooked and consumed by it. Sold the business to support his habit. Beat his wife and was imprisoned for it, losing all contact with his children. Released....went to Mexico to resume his addiction and was murdered in a drug deal gone bad. Nobody can know for certain what our triggers are until they are pulled. By keeping the hard stuff illegal, it helps responsible people to not be "tempted beyond what they are able to resist." Also, it punishes those who exploit these weaknesses. -Greg
From: bknight on 7 May 2010 13:01 On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:42:28 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >In article <muf8u51phqasbvjgjo7g0js016enqqugn6(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:19:33 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> >> wrote: >> >> >In article <nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1egqf6(a)4ax.com>, >> > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >> >> >> I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I support >> >> legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal >> >> there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do >> >> so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad >> >> with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. >> >> >> >> BK >> > >> >So punish people WHEN THE ACTUALLY DO HARM TO OTHERS. >> >> So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO >> HARM TO OTHERS. > >"Might" is not "will". > OK then. So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO THOUSANDS WHO WILL THEN DO HARM TO OTHERS. >The most basic tenet of our society is the freedom to do what each of us >wants to pursue happiness. It's only when our behaviour *actually* harms >others that it is supposed to have limits imposed upon it. The most basic tenet of our society is keeping us safe from those who would bring harm to us. When your happiness puts me at risk it is a basic wrong. Period. It's insane to give such freedom when you are assured that it will, in fact, cause harm to others. Your opinion would be different if a loved one was killed by someone driving a car while high on cocaine. If not, you're certainly in the minority. BK
From: bknight on 7 May 2010 13:07 On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:52:05 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >news:tre8u517glo059bbbndn6o05ofppcm0qmg(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:00:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >> >news:oi48u5lepg7vmo2ed396ibac51c81asftp(a)4ax.com... >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 08:05:30 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Leftys don't want borders. >> >> > >> >> Why do you make such statements???? >> >> >> >> There's too much "righty", "lefty" bullshit being thrown around, just >> >> disparaging epithets tossed out at anyone who disagrees with another's >> >> thoughts . Everything isn't dependent on political thought. >> >> >> >> I don't know anyone that doesn't want to see the influx of illegal's >> >> contained. Absolutely no one, and I'll bet that you can't come up >> >> with anyone either. >> >> >> >> The problem is way to complicated for the simplistic pap that's >> >> proposed here though. >> > >> >Ok. What are your ideas to "contain" the problem? >> > >> >-Greg >> > >> I'm smart enough to know that I don't have the answers. >> >> BK > >Then why ridicule the intelligence of those who present their ideas? > >-Greg When someone suggests murdering, or raping, an illegal alien they put themselves up for ridicule. You have to be looking for an argument to even question that. The simple fixes are laughable, but if you buy them ... go for it. No one here has a workable answer. BK
From: Alan Baker on 7 May 2010 13:07
In article <pdh8u51hjtqck6u02ngmie5man0v822pv1(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:42:28 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > > >In article <muf8u51phqasbvjgjo7g0js016enqqugn6(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:19:33 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1egqf6(a)4ax.com>, > >> > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> > >> >> I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I support > >> >> legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal > >> >> there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do > >> >> so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad > >> >> with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. > >> >> > >> >> BK > >> > > >> >So punish people WHEN THE ACTUALLY DO HARM TO OTHERS. > >> > >> So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO > >> HARM TO OTHERS. > > > >"Might" is not "will". > > > OK then. So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO THOUSANDS WHO WILL > THEN DO HARM TO OTHERS. Sorry, but that's the way our society is supposed to work. And most of the harm that is done by drug users is done BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL > > >The most basic tenet of our society is the freedom to do what each of us > >wants to pursue happiness. It's only when our behaviour *actually* harms > >others that it is supposed to have limits imposed upon it. > > The most basic tenet of our society is keeping us safe from those who > would bring harm to us. When your happiness puts me at risk it is a > basic wrong. Period. But only when it does. > > It's insane to give such freedom when you are assured that it will, in > fact, cause harm to others. Your opinion would be different if a > loved one was killed by someone driving a car while high on cocaine. > If not, you're certainly in the minority. Sorry, but why haven't we prohibited alcohol again? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |