From: John B. on
On May 7, 7:43 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 2010 19:59:03 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>
> wrote:
>
> >People should be personally responsible for the things you mentioned.
> >However, none of the things you describe, in of themselves, are as addictive
> >or destructive as cocaine, heroin, or meth.  Hence the laws and
> >consequences.
>
> >-Greg
>
> I'm not arguing that drugs are good. I'm saying that making drugs
> illegal not only doesn't solve any of the problems caused by drug use,
> it actually makes things much worse.
>
> As far as I can see, drug laws accomplish absolutely nothing and do  a
> huge amount of harm.

So you think drug abuse and addiction and the many negative effects
they have on our society would be diminished if drugs were legal?
From: John B. on
On May 7, 7:50 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 7, 8:26 am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 7 May 2010 08:05:30 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Leftys don't want borders.
>
> > Why do you make such statements????  
>
> > There's too much "righty", "lefty" bullshit being thrown around, just
> > disparaging epithets tossed out at anyone who disagrees with another's
> > thoughts . Everything isn't dependent on political thought.
>
> >   I don't know anyone that doesn't want to see the influx of illegal's
> > contained.  Absolutely no one, and I'll bet that you can't come up
> > with anyone either.
>
> >   The problem is way to complicated for the simplistic pap that's
> > proposed here though.  
>
> > BK
>
> Simplistic? You mean like the president? Arizona's law only gives law
> enforcement in Arizona a charter to enforce federal law. So, if you
> are in Arizona illegally, you will be sent back from whence you came.
>
> Ken

No, you'll be turned over to ICE, which may or may not send you back.
If some cop in rural Arizona picks up a handful of illegal aliens and
calls ICE to come and get them, ICE is not going to send an agent to
drive four hours to pick them up, drive them back to ICE HQ to be
processed, then to the border to deport them. That could take a whole
day, just to deport two or three Mexicans. This has been a problem in
the SW for a long time. ICE doesn't have the resources or the manpower
to do its job.
From: John B. on
On May 7, 8:50 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 May 2010 11:30:25 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> >So open the flood gate of legal drugs  TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO
> >HARM TO OTHERS.
>
> It's an assumption that legalization would increase drug use.  Fact is
> that drugs are easily  available to anyone who wants them.  Right now,
> it's easier for a High School kid to get illegal drugs than alcohol.
> So the idea that legalization would increase drug use is by no means a
> proven hypothesis. And even if it did, most people who try drugs, or
> alcohol, never develop a problem.  

They are not easy to get for anyone who wants them. If I wanted to buy
cocaine or heroin, I would have no idea how to do it.
From: John B. on
On May 7, 10:33 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article <ane9u591dpep1utm8kvbgi3lmncle69...(a)4ax.com>,
>
>
>
>  bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> > On Fri, 07 May 2010 17:58:05 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article <22d9u5p6vjeupjfdpkeot2g5h89oc7n...(a)4ax.com>,
> > > Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Fri, 07 May 2010 11:30:25 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
>
> > >> >So open the flood gate of legal drugs  TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO
> > >> >HARM TO OTHERS.
>
> > >> It's an assumption that legalization would increase drug use.  Fact is
> > >> that drugs are easily  available to anyone who wants them.  Right now,
> > >> it's easier for a High School kid to get illegal drugs than alcohol.
> > >> So the idea that legalization would increase drug use is by no means a
> > >> proven hypothesis. And even if it did, most people who try drugs, or
> > >> alcohol, never develop a problem.  
>
> > >Yup.
>
> > >And currently, almost every seller of alcohol has a strong incentive not
> > >to sell to minors: the threat of losing one's license to sell alcohol.
>
> > >Drug sellers have no such incentive not to sell to children.
>
> > As you are wont to say "LOL".
>
> > BK
>
> It's the simple truth.
>
> Selling alcohol to minors is a very small problem.
>
> Selling drugs to minors is big business.
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

When tens of thousands of under-21 college students (including my
daughter) have fake IDS and use them to buy alcohol, I 'd say that's
more than a very small problem.
From: John B. on
On May 7, 10:34 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article <36e9u55fi552pto25hgoodsr5n05g1g...(a)4ax.com>,
>
>  bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> > On Fri, 07 May 2010 20:50:47 -0400, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Fri, 07 May 2010 11:30:25 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
>
> > >>So open the flood gate of legal drugs  TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO
> > >>HARM TO OTHERS.
>
> > >It's an assumption that legalization would increase drug use.  
>
> > Legalized drugs will be far less expensive which validates that
> > assumption.
>
> Sorry, but no.
>
> > >Fact is that drugs are easily  available to anyone who wants them.  Right
> > >now,
> > >it's easier for a High School kid to get illegal drugs than alcohol.
>
> > Ridiculous Jack.  All a kid needs for alcohol is a fake ID, or one
> > person of age to buy it...at hundreds of stores anywhere in his
> > hometown.  To get drugs is far more difficult and expensive.
>
> Far easier to get drugs. Those who sell them don't care about ID: fake
> or otherwise.


Is it now? Why don't you go out right now and buy a gram of coke if
it's so easy. Let us know how you do.
>
>
>
> > >So the idea that legalization would increase drug use is by no means a
> > >proven hypothesis.
>
> > > And even if it did, most people who try drugs, or  alcohol, never develop a
> > > problem.  
>
> > Alcoholism is rampant, and drug use is far more entrapping.
>
> Sorry, but I'd like to see you support that.
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>