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From: John B. on 8 May 2010 00:35 On May 7, 11:25 pm, "R&B" <none_of_your_busin...(a)all.com> wrote: > On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: > > > > > "R&B" <none_of_your_busin...(a)all.com> wrote in message > >news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: > > >>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > >>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_busin...(a)all.com> wrote in message > >>>>>news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > > >>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... > > >>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is where police > >>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but they could > >>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both second-generation US > >>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens of the US. > >>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional questions. > >>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in situations > >>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies about the > >>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. > > >>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must be lawful > >>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot simply pull > >>>>> you over for looking a specific way. > > >>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible minorities > >>>> over like that. > > >>> Like they do now right? > > >> Yes, like they do right now. > > >> Randy > > > Riiiiiiight. > > Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't stop > people strictly because of the color of their skin? > > It happens every day. Maybe not everywhere. But somewhere, it happens > every day. > > I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all of > whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist cops who > just wanted to hassle a black person. > > And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it happened. > I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't breaking any > laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was clear that he > just wanted to intimidate my friend. > > The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 percent > that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. But the fact > remains, when you put a badge on someone's shirt and a gun on their > belt, some people get an inflated sense of power and they just want to > use it. > > On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some people > in a position of presumed authority, they will let their presumed > "power" go to their heads. Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR > event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me removed from > the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even though I had > the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. The same > guy even started physically assaulting one of our female reporters > WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! > > Obviously, this is not the same as racist behavior. But it serves to > demonstrate the same principle -- that certain people, when given a > little bit of power, will abuse it. And if they happen to be racist > cops (which ain't all that uncommon), it can lead to some rather > explosive circumstances. > > For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only shows > your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping your head stuck > firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). > > Randy That used to happen to me a lot when I was in high school. I had couple of friends who were black and cops were always harassing them. That never happened when I was with white friends.
From: Alan Baker on 8 May 2010 01:13 In article <a4ad277c-3776-4644-b4f7-0a694a09396c(a)d19g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 7, 8:50�pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 11:30:25 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > >So open the flood gate of legal drugs �TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO > > >HARM TO OTHERS. > > > > It's an assumption that legalization would increase drug use. �Fact is > > that drugs are easily �available to anyone who wants them. �Right now, > > it's easier for a High School kid to get illegal drugs than alcohol. > > So the idea that legalization would increase drug use is by no means a > > proven hypothesis. And even if it did, most people who try drugs, or > > alcohol, never develop a problem. � > > They are not easy to get for anyone who wants them. If I wanted to buy > cocaine or heroin, I would have no idea how to do it. And you could find out in about 15 minutes. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 8 May 2010 01:13 In article <98b86b30-e699-4bd9-8c48-fb8a007fbc38(a)e1g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 7, 10:34�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article <36e9u55fi552pto25hgoodsr5n05g1g...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > �bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 20:50:47 -0400, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >On Fri, 07 May 2010 11:30:25 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > >>So open the flood gate of legal drugs �TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO > > > >>HARM TO OTHERS. > > > > > >It's an assumption that legalization would increase drug use. � > > > > > Legalized drugs will be far less expensive which validates that > > > assumption. > > > > Sorry, but no. > > > > > >Fact is that drugs are easily �available to anyone who wants them. > > > >�Right > > > >now, > > > >it's easier for a High School kid to get illegal drugs than alcohol. > > > > > Ridiculous Jack. �All a kid needs for alcohol is a fake ID, or one > > > person of age to buy it...at hundreds of stores anywhere in his > > > hometown. �To get drugs is far more difficult and expensive. > > > > Far easier to get drugs. Those who sell them don't care about ID: fake > > or otherwise. > > > Is it now? Why don't you go out right now and buy a gram of coke if > it's so easy. Let us know how you do. I could. It would take me maybe 5 or 10 minutes down at the local pub. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Carbon on 8 May 2010 01:26 On Fri, 07 May 2010 22:13:07 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: > In article > <a4ad277c-3776-4644-b4f7-0a694a09396c(a)d19g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On May 7, 8:50 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>> On Fri, 07 May 2010 11:30:25 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: >>> >>>> So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN >>>> DO HARM TO OTHERS. >>> >>> It's an assumption that legalization would increase drug use. Fact >>> is that drugs are easily available to anyone who wants them. Right >>> now, it's easier for a High School kid to get illegal drugs than >>> alcohol. So the idea that legalization would increase drug use is by >>> no means a proven hypothesis. And even if it did, most people who >>> try drugs, or alcohol, never develop a problem. >> >> They are not easy to get for anyone who wants them. If I wanted to >> buy cocaine or heroin, I would have no idea how to do it. > > And you could find out in about 15 minutes. I don't doubt that at all. I lived in Burnaby for a couple of years and took the East Hastings bus downtown to work five days a week. A Pacific facing seaport so lots of hard drugs, and a warm climate to attract the indigent. It was... eye opening.
From: Alan Baker on 8 May 2010 01:31
In article <e7c18318-b236-4a36-ad5d-883bc88a207f(a)e35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 7, 7:43�pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > On Thu, 6 May 2010 19:59:03 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> > > wrote: > > > > >People should be personally responsible for the things you mentioned. > > >However, none of the things you describe, in of themselves, are as > > >addictive > > >or destructive as cocaine, heroin, or meth. �Hence the laws and > > >consequences. > > > > >-Greg > > > > I'm not arguing that drugs are good. I'm saying that making drugs > > illegal not only doesn't solve any of the problems caused by drug use, > > it actually makes things much worse. > > > > As far as I can see, drug laws accomplish absolutely nothing and do �a > > huge amount of harm. > > So you think drug abuse and addiction and the many negative effects > they have on our society would be diminished if drugs were legal? Yes. We'd treat drug addiction as a health problem. Addicts wouldn't need to steal to feed their habits, because drugs would be (relatively) in expensive. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |