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From: dene on 10 May 2010 01:10 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4be78b05$0$4851$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > And your solution is?? > > Let 'em stay. Undocumented workers are the modern equivalent of slaves. > They do jobs Americans will not do for almost no money, for no benefits. > They pay for benefits that they cannot legally claim. Companies who use > them make higher profits, stock prices go up, etc. They're a net gain > for the US. > > This Dobbsian anti-immigration hysteria (THEY'RE SPREADING LEPROSY!!!) > surfaces whenever the Republicans are out of office, and dies away again > when they get back in. All this racism does wonders for rallying the > true believers, but the reality is that many important industries are > dependent on undocumented workers. Tyson Foods, et al, do not care which > party is in power; they will grease however many palms it takes to > ensure that their cheap labor pool is left alone. > > So, my take is that the money does not want immigration reform, > therefore it will not happen. Also, it's very possible that illegal > workers are a net gain to the economy. I have never heard a coherent > argument to the contrary from the right. So the economic gain outweighs the cost of prisons, education, and unpaid trips to the ER. Why not enforce the law/borders and create a system of temporary workers? -Greg
From: dene on 10 May 2010 01:12 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-76C820.21285909052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <84pen9Fo3dU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > news:6b4cu5t9lse4nqb11m6vgkfgf6pq8obspn(a)4ax.com... > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:17:45 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >On Thu, 06 May 2010 21:00:34 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >>I'm an ex police officer and I saw the futility of drug laws first > > > >>hand. Putting people in jail for using drugs is idiotic. They should > > > >>legalize all drugs and immediately release all the people in prison > > > >>for possession of drugs, or possession with intent to sell, as long as > > > >>there were no extraneous circumstances like gun possession or > > > >>resisting arrest. > > > > > > > >Legalize the drugs, but be careful about releasing criminals just > > > >because the crime was redefined. Especially those who were in > > > >dangerous criminal organizations. > > > > > > Once drugs were legal, those dangerous organizations would be out of > > > the drug business. > > > > Really. Gambling is legal in Nv. Did that keep the Mob out? What finally > > rooted them out of Vegas was good law enforcement. Same thing applies with > > the drug cartels. > > What rooted them out was cost/benefit analysis. Baloney. Bad guys went to prison. Those who remained sold out. Watch Casino. It depicts the story quite well. -Greg
From: Alan Baker on 10 May 2010 01:27 In article <84pileFb68U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-76C820.21285909052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <84pen9Fo3dU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > > news:6b4cu5t9lse4nqb11m6vgkfgf6pq8obspn(a)4ax.com... > > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:17:45 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 06 May 2010 21:00:34 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>I'm an ex police officer and I saw the futility of drug laws first > > > > >>hand. Putting people in jail for using drugs is idiotic. They > should > > > > >>legalize all drugs and immediately release all the people in prison > > > > >>for possession of drugs, or possession with intent to sell, as long > as > > > > >>there were no extraneous circumstances like gun possession or > > > > >>resisting arrest. > > > > > > > > > >Legalize the drugs, but be careful about releasing criminals just > > > > >because the crime was redefined. Especially those who were in > > > > >dangerous criminal organizations. > > > > > > > > Once drugs were legal, those dangerous organizations would be out of > > > > the drug business. > > > > > > Really. Gambling is legal in Nv. Did that keep the Mob out? What > finally > > > rooted them out of Vegas was good law enforcement. Same thing applies > with > > > the drug cartels. > > > > What rooted them out was cost/benefit analysis. > > Baloney. Bad guys went to prison. Those who remained sold out. Watch > Casino. It depicts the story quite well. > > -Greg "Casino"? You get your history from the movies???? LOL -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 10 May 2010 03:40 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-279564.22273709052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <84pileFb68U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > news:alangbaker-76C820.21285909052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > In article <84pen9Fo3dU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > > > news:6b4cu5t9lse4nqb11m6vgkfgf6pq8obspn(a)4ax.com... > > > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:17:45 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 06 May 2010 21:00:34 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm an ex police officer and I saw the futility of drug laws first > > > > > >>hand. Putting people in jail for using drugs is idiotic. They > > should > > > > > >>legalize all drugs and immediately release all the people in prison > > > > > >>for possession of drugs, or possession with intent to sell, as long > > as > > > > > >>there were no extraneous circumstances like gun possession or > > > > > >>resisting arrest. > > > > > > > > > > > >Legalize the drugs, but be careful about releasing criminals just > > > > > >because the crime was redefined. Especially those who were in > > > > > >dangerous criminal organizations. > > > > > > > > > > Once drugs were legal, those dangerous organizations would be out of > > > > > the drug business. > > > > > > > > Really. Gambling is legal in Nv. Did that keep the Mob out? What > > finally > > > > rooted them out of Vegas was good law enforcement. Same thing applies > > with > > > > the drug cartels. > > > > > > What rooted them out was cost/benefit analysis. > > > > Baloney. Bad guys went to prison. Those who remained sold out. Watch > > Casino. It depicts the story quite well. > > > > -Greg > > "Casino"? You get your history from the movies???? > > LOL Emphasis on the word, "depict." Idiot. -Greg
From: Alan Baker on 10 May 2010 04:07
In article <84prc8Fp92U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-279564.22273709052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <84pileFb68U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > news:alangbaker-76C820.21285909052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > In article <84pen9Fo3dU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:6b4cu5t9lse4nqb11m6vgkfgf6pq8obspn(a)4ax.com... > > > > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:17:45 -0600, Howard Brazee > <howard(a)brazee.net> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 06 May 2010 21:00:34 -0400, Jack Hollis > <xsleeper(a)aol.com> > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm an ex police officer and I saw the futility of drug laws > first > > > > > > >>hand. Putting people in jail for using drugs is idiotic. They > > > should > > > > > > >>legalize all drugs and immediately release all the people in > prison > > > > > > >>for possession of drugs, or possession with intent to sell, as > long > > > as > > > > > > >>there were no extraneous circumstances like gun possession or > > > > > > >>resisting arrest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Legalize the drugs, but be careful about releasing criminals just > > > > > > >because the crime was redefined. Especially those who were in > > > > > > >dangerous criminal organizations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once drugs were legal, those dangerous organizations would be out > of > > > > > > the drug business. > > > > > > > > > > Really. Gambling is legal in Nv. Did that keep the Mob out? What > > > finally > > > > > rooted them out of Vegas was good law enforcement. Same thing > applies > > > with > > > > > the drug cartels. > > > > > > > > What rooted them out was cost/benefit analysis. > > > > > > Baloney. Bad guys went to prison. Those who remained sold out. Watch > > > Casino. It depicts the story quite well. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > "Casino"? You get your history from the movies???? > > > > LOL > > Emphasis on the word, "depict." > Idiot. > > -Greg So what are you claiming: that this "depiction" accurate or not? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |