From: dene on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > And your solution is??
>
> Let 'em stay. Undocumented workers are the modern equivalent of slaves.
> They do jobs Americans will not do for almost no money, for no benefits.
> They pay for benefits that they cannot legally claim. Companies who use
> them make higher profits, stock prices go up, etc. They're a net gain
> for the US.
>
> This Dobbsian anti-immigration hysteria (THEY'RE SPREADING LEPROSY!!!)
> surfaces whenever the Republicans are out of office, and dies away again
> when they get back in. All this racism does wonders for rallying the
> true believers, but the reality is that many important industries are
> dependent on undocumented workers. Tyson Foods, et al, do not care which
> party is in power; they will grease however many palms it takes to
> ensure that their cheap labor pool is left alone.
>
> So, my take is that the money does not want immigration reform,
> therefore it will not happen. Also, it's very possible that illegal
> workers are a net gain to the economy. I have never heard a coherent
> argument to the contrary from the right.

So the economic gain outweighs the cost of prisons, education, and unpaid
trips to the ER.

Why not enforce the law/borders and create a system of temporary workers?

-Greg


From: dene on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-76C820.21285909052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> In article <84pen9Fo3dU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:6b4cu5t9lse4nqb11m6vgkfgf6pq8obspn(a)4ax.com...
> > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:17:45 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Thu, 06 May 2010 21:00:34 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>I'm an ex police officer and I saw the futility of drug laws first
> > > >>hand. Putting people in jail for using drugs is idiotic. They
should
> > > >>legalize all drugs and immediately release all the people in prison
> > > >>for possession of drugs, or possession with intent to sell, as long
as
> > > >>there were no extraneous circumstances like gun possession or
> > > >>resisting arrest.
> > > >
> > > >Legalize the drugs, but be careful about releasing criminals just
> > > >because the crime was redefined. Especially those who were in
> > > >dangerous criminal organizations.
> > >
> > > Once drugs were legal, those dangerous organizations would be out of
> > > the drug business.
> >
> > Really. Gambling is legal in Nv. Did that keep the Mob out? What
finally
> > rooted them out of Vegas was good law enforcement. Same thing applies
with
> > the drug cartels.
>
> What rooted them out was cost/benefit analysis.

Baloney. Bad guys went to prison. Those who remained sold out. Watch
Casino. It depicts the story quite well.

-Greg


From: Alan Baker on
In article <84pileFb68U1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-76C820.21285909052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > In article <84pen9Fo3dU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:6b4cu5t9lse4nqb11m6vgkfgf6pq8obspn(a)4ax.com...
> > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:17:45 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Thu, 06 May 2010 21:00:34 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>I'm an ex police officer and I saw the futility of drug laws first
> > > > >>hand. Putting people in jail for using drugs is idiotic. They
> should
> > > > >>legalize all drugs and immediately release all the people in prison
> > > > >>for possession of drugs, or possession with intent to sell, as long
> as
> > > > >>there were no extraneous circumstances like gun possession or
> > > > >>resisting arrest.
> > > > >
> > > > >Legalize the drugs, but be careful about releasing criminals just
> > > > >because the crime was redefined. Especially those who were in
> > > > >dangerous criminal organizations.
> > > >
> > > > Once drugs were legal, those dangerous organizations would be out of
> > > > the drug business.
> > >
> > > Really. Gambling is legal in Nv. Did that keep the Mob out? What
> finally
> > > rooted them out of Vegas was good law enforcement. Same thing applies
> with
> > > the drug cartels.
> >
> > What rooted them out was cost/benefit analysis.
>
> Baloney. Bad guys went to prison. Those who remained sold out. Watch
> Casino. It depicts the story quite well.
>
> -Greg

"Casino"? You get your history from the movies????

LOL

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-279564.22273709052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> In article <84pileFb68U1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > news:alangbaker-76C820.21285909052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > In article <84pen9Fo3dU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:6b4cu5t9lse4nqb11m6vgkfgf6pq8obspn(a)4ax.com...
> > > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:17:45 -0600, Howard Brazee
<howard(a)brazee.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On Thu, 06 May 2010 21:00:34 -0400, Jack Hollis
<xsleeper(a)aol.com>
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>I'm an ex police officer and I saw the futility of drug laws
first
> > > > > >>hand. Putting people in jail for using drugs is idiotic. They
> > should
> > > > > >>legalize all drugs and immediately release all the people in
prison
> > > > > >>for possession of drugs, or possession with intent to sell, as
long
> > as
> > > > > >>there were no extraneous circumstances like gun possession or
> > > > > >>resisting arrest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Legalize the drugs, but be careful about releasing criminals just
> > > > > >because the crime was redefined. Especially those who were in
> > > > > >dangerous criminal organizations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once drugs were legal, those dangerous organizations would be out
of
> > > > > the drug business.
> > > >
> > > > Really. Gambling is legal in Nv. Did that keep the Mob out? What
> > finally
> > > > rooted them out of Vegas was good law enforcement. Same thing
applies
> > with
> > > > the drug cartels.
> > >
> > > What rooted them out was cost/benefit analysis.
> >
> > Baloney. Bad guys went to prison. Those who remained sold out. Watch
> > Casino. It depicts the story quite well.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> "Casino"? You get your history from the movies????
>
> LOL

Emphasis on the word, "depict."
Idiot.

-Greg


From: Alan Baker on
In article <84prc8Fp92U1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-279564.22273709052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > In article <84pileFb68U1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > news:alangbaker-76C820.21285909052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > > In article <84pen9Fo3dU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:6b4cu5t9lse4nqb11m6vgkfgf6pq8obspn(a)4ax.com...
> > > > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 19:17:45 -0600, Howard Brazee
> <howard(a)brazee.net>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >On Thu, 06 May 2010 21:00:34 -0400, Jack Hollis
> <xsleeper(a)aol.com>
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>I'm an ex police officer and I saw the futility of drug laws
> first
> > > > > > >>hand. Putting people in jail for using drugs is idiotic. They
> > > should
> > > > > > >>legalize all drugs and immediately release all the people in
> prison
> > > > > > >>for possession of drugs, or possession with intent to sell, as
> long
> > > as
> > > > > > >>there were no extraneous circumstances like gun possession or
> > > > > > >>resisting arrest.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Legalize the drugs, but be careful about releasing criminals just
> > > > > > >because the crime was redefined. Especially those who were in
> > > > > > >dangerous criminal organizations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Once drugs were legal, those dangerous organizations would be out
> of
> > > > > > the drug business.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really. Gambling is legal in Nv. Did that keep the Mob out? What
> > > finally
> > > > > rooted them out of Vegas was good law enforcement. Same thing
> applies
> > > with
> > > > > the drug cartels.
> > > >
> > > > What rooted them out was cost/benefit analysis.
> > >
> > > Baloney. Bad guys went to prison. Those who remained sold out. Watch
> > > Casino. It depicts the story quite well.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> >
> > "Casino"? You get your history from the movies????
> >
> > LOL
>
> Emphasis on the word, "depict."
> Idiot.
>
> -Greg

So what are you claiming: that this "depiction" accurate or not?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>