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From: MNMikeW on 10 May 2010 12:54 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:co2gu5d0meg5o9ptmefk7gv8fbdsq59f1t(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 9 May 2010 20:17:33 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>On May 9, 9:38 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 May 2010 19:32:04 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: > =>> >>> >On May 9, 9:13 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>> >> On Sun, 09 May 2010 09:58:26 -0400, BAR wrote: >>> >> > In article <4be6bd3c$0$21861$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> >> > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>> >> >> On Sun, 09 May 2010 01:07:56 -0400, BAR wrote: > >>> >> > What we need to do is put the US military on our borders and shoot >>> >> > anyone trying to enter the country illegally. >>> >>> >> Please provide proof that putting the US military on the border and >>> >> shooting anyone trying to enter the country illegally is a good >>> >> idea.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> >>> >Proof? We don't need no stinking proof. It is clearly a good idea. >>> >>> >Ken >>> >>> I'm truly sorry that you think this Ken. It's reprehensible and I >>> thought better of you. >>> >>> BK- >>You don't think it is a good idea to enforce our border and turn >>around people who are entering illegally? I am the one who feels sorry >>for you. > > At this moment it isn't sorry that I'm feeling for you, but I want to > give you the benefit of the doubt. >> > >>Those who are not legal should go back from whence they came. No >>exceptions, zero tolerance. >> >>Ken > > I have no problem with that at all, and I have no problem with > enforcing our border. > > Let's just get this straight. Say that there's a 40 year old man > living in Mexico with his wife, two sons and a daughter. His wife is > not well and he hasn't worked in weeks. Can't find a job. One of his > compadres tells him that across the border in Texas he can get a job > paying $20 dollars a day working in the fields, so in desperation he > makes a 50 mile trip on foot, and crosses the border,hoping to stay a > couple of weeks then return home to try to find work there again. > > Please don't tell me you would murder this man that's only trying to > put food in his family's stomach, doing labor that no U.S. citizen > will do. > > BK So how exactly would you weed out the "good" illegal immigrants and the "bad" ones?
From: MNMikeW on 10 May 2010 13:00 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4be78b05$0$4851$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> >> And your solution is?? > > Let 'em stay. Undocumented workers are the modern equivalent of slaves. And slavery is always a good thing. > They do jobs Americans will not do for almost no money, for no benefits. So this is just fine, but if an American gets no benefits or dosent get minimum wage its a bad thing. I see. > They pay for benefits that they cannot legally claim. They also use benefits the cannot legally claim. Companies who use > them make higher profits, stock prices go up, etc. They're a net gain > for the US. Profits? You mean those evil profits liberals are always whining about? > > This Dobbsian anti-immigration hysteria (THEY'RE SPREADING LEPROSY!!!) > surfaces whenever the Republicans are out of office, and dies away again > when they get back in. All this racism does wonders for rallying the > true believers, but the reality is that many important industries are > dependent on undocumented workers. Tyson Foods, et al, do not care which > party is in power; they will grease however many palms it takes to > ensure that their cheap labor pool is left alone. > > So, my take is that the money does not want immigration reform, > therefore it will not happen. Also, it's very possible that illegal > workers are a net gain to the economy. I have never heard a coherent > argument to the contrary from the right. You refuse to listen.
From: bknight on 10 May 2010 13:02 On Mon, 10 May 2010 11:54:06 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >> Let's just get this straight. Say that there's a 40 year old man >> living in Mexico with his wife, two sons and a daughter. His wife is >> not well and he hasn't worked in weeks. Can't find a job. One of his >> compadres tells him that across the border in Texas he can get a job >> paying $20 dollars a day working in the fields, so in desperation he >> makes a 50 mile trip on foot, and crosses the border,hoping to stay a >> couple of weeks then return home to try to find work there again. >> >> Please don't tell me you would murder this man that's only trying to >> put food in his family's stomach, doing labor that no U.S. citizen >> will do. >> >> BK > >So how exactly would you weed out the "good" illegal immigrants and the >"bad" ones? > Thanks for making my point. There's no way, so killing all that cross is an immoral, and heinous, thought. BK
From: MNMikeW on 10 May 2010 13:25 "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: > >> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>> >>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>>> >>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is where police >>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but they could >>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both second-generation >>>>>>> US >>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens of the US. >>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional questions. >>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in situations >>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies about the >>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must be lawful >>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot simply pull >>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible minorities >>>>> over like that. >>>> >>>> Like they do now right? >>> >>> Yes, like they do right now. >>> >>> Randy >>> >> Riiiiiiight. > > > Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't stop > people strictly because of the color of their skin? > Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad apples in every group. > I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all of whom > are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist cops who just > wanted to hassle a black person. Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. > > And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it happened. I've > seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't breaking any laws. > And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was clear that he just > wanted to intimidate my friend. I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must have been a reason for the stop. > > The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 percent that > give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's reversed. ;-) > > On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some people in > a position of presumed authority, they will let their presumed "power" go > to their heads. Yes there a few of those out there. Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR > event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me removed from > the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even though I had the > credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. The same guy even > started physically assaulting one of our female reporters WHILE SHE WAS > TALKING ON THE AIR!!! I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years ago. We didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). > > > For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only shows your > own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping your head stuck firmly > in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). > I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert that this will be the norm only shows your ignorance.
From: MNMikeW on 10 May 2010 13:34
<bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:tvegu5569nkok2cv60lnhv8ot0ckgtkbom(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 10 May 2010 11:54:06 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> > wrote: > >> >><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >>> Let's just get this straight. Say that there's a 40 year old man >>> living in Mexico with his wife, two sons and a daughter. His wife is >>> not well and he hasn't worked in weeks. Can't find a job. One of his >>> compadres tells him that across the border in Texas he can get a job >>> paying $20 dollars a day working in the fields, so in desperation he >>> makes a 50 mile trip on foot, and crosses the border,hoping to stay a >>> couple of weeks then return home to try to find work there again. >>> >>> Please don't tell me you would murder this man that's only trying to >>> put food in his family's stomach, doing labor that no U.S. citizen >>> will do. >>> >>> BK >> >>So how exactly would you weed out the "good" illegal immigrants and the >>"bad" ones? >> > Thanks for making my point. There's no way, so killing all that cross > is an immoral, and heinous, thought. > > BK How bout not killing them but keeping them ALL out? |