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From: dene on 11 May 2010 13:18 "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-44F0B6.08134711052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <84rstnF3qdU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:wclark2-BDBE82.21024310052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > In article <4be8a897$0$22215$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 10 May 2010 18:55:39 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > > In article <457cf279-2014-443a-b7f5-ee36a8baf4d3 > > > > > @k31g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > > >> On May 9, 9:58� am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >>> In article <4be6bd3c$0$21861$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > >>> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > >>>> On Sun, 09 May 2010 01:07:56 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > >>>>> In article <e9313f6a-885e-44f8-b4cb-5362aeb48277 > > > > >>>>> @b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> How is that reciprocal when Americans can own property in Mexico? > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Please provide proof that US nationals can be majority owners of > > > > >>>>> real property in Mexico. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Please provide proof that rounding up undocumented workers by the > > > > >>>> thousands and murdering them is a good idea. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Nice try buddy. The legal term is illegal aliens. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I never said anything about rounding up illegal aliens and murdering > > > > >>> them. What I said is we round up illegal aliens and we ship them > > > > >>> back to their country of origin. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> What we need to do is put the US military on our borders and shoot > > > > >>> anyone trying to enter the country illegally. > > > > >> > > > > >> You also said that illegal aliens caught here should be tattooed, > > > > >> like the Nazis did to Jews. > > > > > > > > > > No, I said we should tattoo those caught here as illegal aliens and > > > > > then deport them. The scarlet letter has its uses. > > > > > > > > Your idiot impression is extremely good. > > > > > > Er, I don't think it's an impression - it's the real thing. > > > > Late to the party, Billy. Perhaps the subject of illegal immigration was > > making you nervous. > > > > -Greg > > No, it was the infantile toing and froing that just had me too bored to > be bothered. Case in point . . I like it when you are bored. -Greg
From: dene on 11 May 2010 13:21 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:28d61ab4-8299-4dbb-a2de-137c45dcd083(a)s29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On May 10, 11:20 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4be8c384$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > > On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:21:32 -0700, dene wrote: > > > "Howard Brazee" <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > > >news:tbahu5pcbiskjlm6mt2gtrsd7h2po9l1ms(a)4ax.com... > > >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - and > > >>> the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? > > > >> Total amount? We're guessing. What happened when Prohibition was > > >> repealed? > > > >> The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't have as > > >> many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on the problem > > >> will be social workers, freeing up police to do other vital work. > > > > A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is more > > > effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice about using > > > again. > > > The US incarcerates a larger percentage of its own citizens than any > > other first world country. That war on drugs is gonna be won any year > > now!!! > > It's also resulted in a dramatically lower crime rate than before. Bad guys > are staying where they belong. > > -Greg Increased incarceration rates are one of many factors that have lowered the crime rate. It's not even the principal one. --------------------------------------------------- Name the other factors. -Greg
From: dene on 11 May 2010 13:22 "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message news:dngiu5h4kh4m8ftrbom0rb5t9ns1pc7902(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:21:32 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > >> The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't have > >> as many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on the > >> problem will be social workers, freeing up police to do other vital > >> work. > > > >A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is more > >effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice about using > >again. > > Prison is much, much more expensive. And prison is quite expensive > at graduating drug users into gang criminals. Protecting society is priceless. -Greg
From: bknight on 11 May 2010 13:20 On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >news:971993e3-6952-4b02-90ad-f3a4ed741a87(a)b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... >On May 11, 7:33 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: <clip> >You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing and >killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that >everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a thief >and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right? > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >A chance to do what? > >-Greg > C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because its so complicated, , but I will ask you this: Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that anyone crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? That only requires a simple yes or no. BK
From: dene on 11 May 2010 13:31
<bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > > > >"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:971993e3-6952-4b02-90ad-f3a4ed741a87(a)b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... > >On May 11, 7:33 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > <clip> > >You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing and > >killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that > >everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a thief > >and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right? > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >A chance to do what? > > > >-Greg > > > > C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or > anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because its > so complicated, , but I will ask you this: > > Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that anyone > crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? > > That only requires a simple yes or no. > > BK ------------------------------------------------------ I believe I answered the question earlier. Bert is wrong about this but at least he has the guts to offer a solution. I don't believe securing our borders is particularily complicated. It's a matter of political will. My question to John remains. He seems to imply that an illegal should have a chance to prove himself. I think not. -Greg |