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From: John B. on 11 May 2010 13:31 On May 11, 1:16 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:971993e3-6952-4b02-90ad-f3a4ed741a87(a)b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... > On May 11, 7:33 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <co2gu5d0meg5o9ptmefk7gv8fbdsq59...(a)4ax.com>, > > bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > > > > I have no problem with that at all, and I have no problem with > > > enforcing our border. > > > > Let's just get this straight. Say that there's a 40 year old man > > > living in Mexico with his wife, two sons and a daughter. His wife is > > > not well and he hasn't worked in weeks. Can't find a job. One of his > > > compadres tells him that across the border in Texas he can get a job > > > paying $20 dollars a day working in the fields, so in desperation he > > > makes a 50 mile trip on foot, and crosses the border,hoping to stay a > > > couple of weeks then return home to try to find work there again. > > > > Please don't tell me you would murder this man that's only trying to > > > put food in his family's stomach, doing labor that no U.S. citizen > > > will do. > > > What if this same man was caught stealing to provide for his family. Is > > his action any less illegal? > > > The issue at hand is do laws have meaning and should the law breaker be > > treated the same in the eyes of the law. > > > What if this same man kill the owner of a store while he was stealing to > > provide for his family? > > > We always hear from the left that we are a nation of laws, that the > > police and the courts will protect us, however, when our laws, police > > and courts need to protect us we are told that they guy was just trying > > to provide for his family. What do you think the guy who had his goods > > stolen was doing? He was trying to provide for his family and doing so > > within the law. > > > I have yet to see, hear or read of a legal exception that states that > > the law doesn't apply when the person's post-transgression explanation > > was I was just trying to provide for my family. > > > Legality and convictions are two separate classifications. You can be > > illegally performing an act and not have been convicted of the act which > > doesn't make the act any less illegal. > > You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing and > killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that > everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a thief > and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right? > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > A chance to do what? > > -Greg Rob and kill.
From: John B. on 11 May 2010 13:41 On May 11, 1:21 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:28d61ab4-8299-4dbb-a2de-137c45dcd083(a)s29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On May 10, 11:20 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >news:4be8c384$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:21:32 -0700, dene wrote: > > > > "Howard Brazee" <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > > > >news:tbahu5pcbiskjlm6mt2gtrsd7h2po9l1ms(a)4ax.com... > > > >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>> If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - > and > > > >>> the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? > > > > >> Total amount? We're guessing. What happened when Prohibition was > > > >> repealed? > > > > >> The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't have as > > > >> many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on the problem > > > >> will be social workers, freeing up police to do other vital work. > > > > > A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is more > > > > effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice about > using > > > > again. > > > > The US incarcerates a larger percentage of its own citizens than any > > > other first world country. That war on drugs is gonna be won any year > > > now!!! > > > It's also resulted in a dramatically lower crime rate than before. Bad > guys > > are staying where they belong. > > > -Greg > > Increased incarceration rates are one of many factors that have > lowered the crime rate. It's not even the principal one. > --------------------------------------------------- > > Name the other factors. > > -Greg Economic growth in the 80s and 90s, more law enforcement officers, the aging of the population....
From: John B. on 11 May 2010 13:45 On May 11, 1:31 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > news:m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com... > > > > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> > > wrote: > > > >"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:971993e3-6952-4b02-90ad-f3a4ed741a87(a)b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com.... > > >On May 11, 7:33 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > <clip> > > >You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing and > > >killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that > > >everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a thief > > >and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right? > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >A chance to do what? > > > >-Greg > > > C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or > > anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because its > > so complicated, , but I will ask you this: > > > Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that anyone > > crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? > > > That only requires a simple yes or no. > > > BK > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > I believe I answered the question earlier. Bert is wrong about this but at > least he has the guts to offer a solution. I don't believe securing our > borders is particularily complicated. It's a matter of political will. > > My question to John remains. He seems to imply that an illegal should have > a chance to prove himself. I think not. > > -Greg The guts? Are you serious? It takes guts to post on a golf newsgroup that illegal entrants to the US should be shot? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. As for your question, I don't remember seeing it. And I don't know what you mean by an illegal having a chance to prove himself.
From: bknight on 11 May 2010 13:47 On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:31:59 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >news:m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >news:971993e3-6952-4b02-90ad-f3a4ed741a87(a)b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... >> >On May 11, 7:33 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: >> <clip> >> >You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing and >> >killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that >> >everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a thief >> >and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right? >> > >> >-------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> >A chance to do what? >> > >> >-Greg >> > >> >> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or >> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because its >> so complicated, , but I will ask you this: >> >> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that anyone >> crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? >> >> That only requires a simple yes or no. >> >> BK > >------------------------------------------------------ > >I believe I answered the question earlier. Sorry, I didn't see that. > Bert is wrong about this but at least he has the guts to offer a solution. Hell, dropping an H bomb on Mexico could be called a solution,to consider murder as a solution is more than a stretch. > I don't believe securing our borders is particularily complicated. It's a matter of political will. Since neither party, when in power, has been able to do this there must be some complications. Money is the main culprit. > >My question to John remains. He seems to imply that an illegal should have >a chance to prove himself. I think not. Of course he should. That's what the American justice system is built on. Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what BAR's solution is. BK >
From: William Clark on 11 May 2010 13:48
In article <84thigFinkU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-44F0B6.08134711052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <84rstnF3qdU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:wclark2-BDBE82.21024310052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > In article <4be8a897$0$22215$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 10 May 2010 18:55:39 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > > > In article <457cf279-2014-443a-b7f5-ee36a8baf4d3 > > > > > > @k31g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > >> On May 9, 9:58� am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> In article > <4be6bd3c$0$21861$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > >>> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > >>>> On Sun, 09 May 2010 01:07:56 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > > >>>>> In article <e9313f6a-885e-44f8-b4cb-5362aeb48277 > > > > > >>>>> @b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> How is that reciprocal when Americans can own property in > Mexico? > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Please provide proof that US nationals can be majority owners > of > > > > > >>>>> real property in Mexico. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Please provide proof that rounding up undocumented workers by > the > > > > > >>>> thousands and murdering them is a good idea. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Nice try buddy. The legal term is illegal aliens. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I never said anything about rounding up illegal aliens and > murdering > > > > > >>> them. What I said is we round up illegal aliens and we ship them > > > > > >>> back to their country of origin. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> What we need to do is put the US military on our borders and > shoot > > > > > >>> anyone trying to enter the country illegally. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> You also said that illegal aliens caught here should be tattooed, > > > > > >> like the Nazis did to Jews. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I said we should tattoo those caught here as illegal aliens > and > > > > > > then deport them. The scarlet letter has its uses. > > > > > > > > > > Your idiot impression is extremely good. > > > > > > > > Er, I don't think it's an impression - it's the real thing. > > > > > > Late to the party, Billy. Perhaps the subject of illegal immigration > was > > > making you nervous. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > No, it was the infantile toing and froing that just had me too bored to > > be bothered. Case in point . . > > I like it when you are bored. > > -Greg Indeed, then the kiddies can play unsupervised. |