From: William Clark on
In article <84thp0Fk7hU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:28d61ab4-8299-4dbb-a2de-137c45dcd083(a)s29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 10, 11:20 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:4be8c384$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:21:32 -0700, dene wrote:
> > > > "Howard Brazee" <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:tbahu5pcbiskjlm6mt2gtrsd7h2po9l1ms(a)4ax.com...
> > > >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> > > >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >>> If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction -
> and
> > > >>> the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down?
> >
> > > >> Total amount? We're guessing. What happened when Prohibition was
> > > >> repealed?
> >
> > > >> The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't have as
> > > >> many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on the problem
> > > >> will be social workers, freeing up police to do other vital work.
> >
> > > > A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is more
> > > > effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice about
> using
> > > > again.
> >
> > > The US incarcerates a larger percentage of its own citizens than any
> > > other first world country. That war on drugs is gonna be won any year
> > > now!!!
> >
> > It's also resulted in a dramatically lower crime rate than before. Bad
> guys
> > are staying where they belong.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> Increased incarceration rates are one of many factors that have
> lowered the crime rate. It's not even the principal one.
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Name the other factors.
>
> -Greg

Increased investment in policing. Duh.
From: dene on

"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e5384734-6864-4d95-bd3a-2bc49a9717d6(a)q30g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On May 11, 1:21 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:28d61ab4-8299-4dbb-a2de-137c45dcd083(a)s29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 10, 11:20 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:4be8c384$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
> > > On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:21:32 -0700, dene wrote:
> > > > "Howard Brazee" <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:tbahu5pcbiskjlm6mt2gtrsd7h2po9l1ms(a)4ax.com...
> > > >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> > > >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>> If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction -
> and
> > > >>> the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down?
>
> > > >> Total amount? We're guessing. What happened when Prohibition was
> > > >> repealed?
>
> > > >> The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't have
as
> > > >> many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on the
problem
> > > >> will be social workers, freeing up police to do other vital work.
>
> > > > A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is
more
> > > > effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice about
> using
> > > > again.
>
> > > The US incarcerates a larger percentage of its own citizens than any
> > > other first world country. That war on drugs is gonna be won any year
> > > now!!!
>
> > It's also resulted in a dramatically lower crime rate than before. Bad
> guys
> > are staying where they belong.
>
> > -Greg
>
> Increased incarceration rates are one of many factors that have
> lowered the crime rate. It's not even the principal one.
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Name the other factors.
>
> -Greg

Economic growth in the 80s and 90s, more law enforcement officers, the
aging of the population....

------------------------------------------------------

Good points.

-Greg


From: dene on

"William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
news:clark-0EE06F.13513011052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...

> > Increased incarceration rates are one of many factors that have
> > lowered the crime rate. It's not even the principal one.
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Name the other factors.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> Increased investment in policing. Duh.

Bad guys were being caught. That was never the issue, especially since most
criminals are pretty dumb. The problem is that they were having their hands
slapped in the name of probation or parole and released.

Duh.

-Greg


From: Moderate on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
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> In article <84kmkjF9ouU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>>
>> Agree. I wouldn't know where to begin to buy cocaine.
>
> Trying going to a night club.

Seriously? You think a night club is a good place to score cocaine? What,
just start asking people at the bar? The bartender? When the waitress asks
for your order you say, I want an eight ball and two straws?

That is funny.


From: Moderate on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 09 May 2010 20:56:38 -0700, dene wrote:
>
> Let 'em stay. Undocumented workers are the modern equivalent of slaves.
> They do jobs Americans will not do for almost no money, for no benefits.
> They pay for benefits that they cannot legally claim. Companies who use
> them make higher profits, stock prices go up, etc. They're a net gain
> for the US.

So you support slavery?

The Federal government better do something about the problem pretty soon.
The left and the right have gone off the deep end. Support of slavery and
shooting people are not acceptable solutions.