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From: dene on 11 May 2010 20:35 "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:wclark2-8CAE1E.19521511052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <84to04FsbmU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > news:clark-0EE06F.13513011052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > > Increased incarceration rates are one of many factors that have > > > > lowered the crime rate. It's not even the principal one. > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Name the other factors. > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > Increased investment in policing. Duh. > > > > Bad guys were being caught. That was never the issue, especially since most > > criminals are pretty dumb. The problem is that they were having their hands > > slapped in the name of probation or parole and released. > > > > Duh. > > > > -Greg > > It was always the issue. Once you put a greater police presence on the > ground you a) catch the bad guys, and b) drive them out of the area. > Incarceration in the US system is proven to be neither a deterrent nor > reforming. Baloney. Incaceration is the hammer to the nail. What good is law enforcement if the crooks they catch are released, due to "rehab" or overcrowding. Cops care alot about making sure their police work has an end to it. My dad's favorite ending was when one bad guy murdered another. One's dead....other one is in prison for life. Pretty good return for one bullet. -Greg
From: dene on 11 May 2010 20:36 "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2653a7d2ad985705989ed2(a)news.giganews.com... > In article <84rt1iF4caU1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com > says... > > > > "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > > news:tbahu5pcbiskjlm6mt2gtrsd7h2po9l1ms(a)4ax.com... > > > On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - and > > > >the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? > > > > > > Total amount? We're guessing. What happened when Prohibition was > > > repealed? > > > > > > The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't have > > > as many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on the > > > problem will be social workers, freeing up police to do other vital > > > work. > > > > A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is more > > effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice about using > > again. > > The social workers deal with the aftermath. The social workers will do > nothing to stop the problems. That's right. Law enforcement stops much of it. -Greg
From: Carbon on 11 May 2010 20:34 On Tue, 11 May 2010 12:04:40 -0700, dene wrote: > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:e5384734-6864-4d95- > bd3a-2bc49a9717d6(a)q30g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... >> On May 11, 1:21 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:28d61ab4-8299-4dbb- >>> a2de-137c45dcd083(a)s29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On May 10, 11:20 >>> pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >>>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4be8c384$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> >>>>> The US incarcerates a larger percentage of its own citizens than >>>>> any other first world country. That war on drugs is gonna be won >>>>> any year now!!! >>>> >>>> It's also resulted in a dramatically lower crime rate than before. >>>> Bad guys are staying where they belong. >>> >>> Increased incarceration rates are one of many factors that have >>> lowered the crime rate. It's not even the principal one. >>> >>> Name the other factors. >> >> Economic growth in the 80s and 90s, more law enforcement officers, >> the aging of the population.... > > Good points. Ya got class, kid.
From: Carbon on 11 May 2010 20:43 On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net says... >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >> wrote: >> >>> A chance to do what? >> >> C'mon Greg. That's perfectly clear. I wouldn't dare ask you, or >> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because its >> so complicated, , but I will ask you this: >> >> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that anyone >> crossing our borders illegally should be summarily killed? >> >> That only requires a simple yes or no. > > Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard problems. > And, your refusal to adress the hard problems is then transferred to > everyone else. You would rather sit back, throw your hands in the air > and say live and let live. When in reality that attitude is what > continually gets us in trouble. And your problem is that you insist on simple answers when there are none to be had.
From: Carbon on 11 May 2010 20:46
On Tue, 11 May 2010 17:35:22 -0700, dene wrote: > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > news:wclark2-8CAE1E.19521511052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> It was always the issue. Once you put a greater police presence on the >> ground you a) catch the bad guys, and b) drive them out of the area. >> Incarceration in the US system is proven to be neither a deterrent nor >> reforming. > > Baloney. Incaceration is the hammer to the nail. What good is law > enforcement if the crooks they catch are released, due to "rehab" or > overcrowding. Cops care alot about making sure their police work has an > end to it. My dad's favorite ending was when one bad guy murdered > another. One's dead....other one is in prison for life. Pretty good > return for one bullet. Then why is the drug problem still so bad? Why is there so much crime? |