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From: Carbon on 11 May 2010 20:50 On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:01:18 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <4be8c384$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:21:32 -0700, dene wrote: >>> "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message >>> news:tbahu5pcbiskjlm6mt2gtrsd7h2po9l1ms(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." >>>> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - >>>>> and the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? >>>> >>>> Total amount? We're guessing. What happened when Prohibition >>>> was repealed? >>>> >>>> The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't >>>> have as many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on >>>> the problem will be social workers, freeing up police to do other >>>> vital work. >>> >>> A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is >>> more effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice >>> about using again. >> >> The US incarcerates a larger percentage of its own citizens than any >> other first world country. That war on drugs is gonna be won any year >> now!!! > > It is the ramifications of a society that is based upon individual > freedom. I wouldn't have it any other way. The freedom to have your freedom taken away over petty crimes like pot? The so-called WAR ON DRUGS has gone on for decades and has cost billions upon billions of dollars. For a drug problem that is worse than in many countries with way more permissive laws.
From: Howard Brazee on 11 May 2010 20:51 On Tue, 11 May 2010 06:12:43 -0700 (PDT), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I do not agree that nobody would do those jobs. These businesses will >> adjust their wages and their conditions to fill th void. I've cleaned >> the equipment in a butcher shop. I have been a grease monkey at a >> mechanic shop. I have chipped paint in the Navy. People who need a job >> will take a job. I knew that first hand before I had a career. >> >> Ken > >Then why aren't people clamoring for those jobs now? Our system is screwed up. I was reading about a man who took a temporary job while looking for a "real" job. That saved us taxpayers money, but when the temporary job was over, he found out it cost him big time, as they re-calculated his income based upon that little job, instead of his career job. Never, never penalize people for getting work. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Carbon on 11 May 2010 20:52 On Tue, 11 May 2010 17:36:14 -0700, dene wrote: > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.2653a7d2ad985705989ed2(a)news.giganews.com... >> In article <84rt1iF4caU1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com >> says... >>> "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message >>> news:tbahu5pcbiskjlm6mt2gtrsd7h2po9l1ms(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." >>>> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - >>>>> and the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? >>>> >>>> Total amount? We're guessing. What happened when Prohibition >>>> was repealed? >>>> >>>> The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't >>>> have as many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on >>>> the problem will be social workers, freeing up police to do other >>>> vital work. >>> >>> A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is >>> more effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice >>> about using again. >> >> The social workers deal with the aftermath. The social workers will >> do nothing to stop the problems. > > That's right. Law enforcement stops much of it. Then why is the drug problem so much worse here than in so many other countries?
From: Howard Brazee on 11 May 2010 20:53 On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:31:59 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >I believe I answered the question earlier. Bert is wrong about this but at >least he has the guts to offer a solution. I don't believe securing our >borders is particularily complicated. It's a matter of political will. Lots of people offer "solutions" to problems. The government does so all the time. But offering a solution that's not as bad as the problem is very rare. Isn't what conservatives accuse liberals of doing? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 11 May 2010 20:56
On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard problems. And, >your refusal to adress the hard problems is then transferred to everyone >else. You would rather sit back, throw your hands in the air and say >live and let live. When in reality that attitude is what continually >gets us in trouble. Sometimes realizing that there is nothing that will solve things completely is the first step in looking for a better way to improve things. Whatever political persuasion you have, look at what the other side has done to "solve" problems. How many political problems have you actually seen solved around the world? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |