From: dene on 20 Jan 2010 21:59 "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message news:2010012021512816807-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > On 2010-01-20 14:14:29 -0500, dene said: > > I think Obama knew in advance about the back room deals to get the Senate > > votes. It's how they play the game in Chicago. > > > > -Greg > > It 's also how legislation gets done in Washington. Always has been. > > Randy But he promised to change that, didn't he! A year ago he was innaugerated, promising all kinds of things, most of which have been broken. He has nobody to blame but himself. -Greg
From: dene on 20 Jan 2010 22:05 "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote in message news:4b57bafc$0$12434$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... > The solution to this debate is simple. Dene should write a policy for > Randy. I'm licensed only in Oregon and Washington. He would be on the high risk plan in Oregon. He'd qualify for a normal plan in Washington, due to generous state mandate underwriting standards. However, insurance is 20+% higher in Washington than Oregon, due to this and others mandates. -Greg
From: Moderate on 20 Jan 2010 22:03 "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message news:2010012021512816807-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > On 2010-01-20 14:14:29 -0500, dene said: > >> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:4b56f5a5$0$4969$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:00:19 -0800, dene wrote: >>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>> news:2010012001542916807-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>> >>>>> Dene, the majority of voting Americans voted for Obama's agenda a >>>>> year ago. Their disapproval now is not over how far-reaching his >>>>> agenda has been. They voted for it. They voted for SWEEPING CHANGE. >>>>> Their disapproval is over how little the Dems have been able to get >>>>> done with the obstructionist right standing in their way at every >>>>> step, and how watered-down the health care bill has become. >>>> >>>> So you are among the small number of loons who do not think Obama is >>>> left enough. No surprise. He's surrounded himself with your types >>>> and they are completely out of touch with the pulse of America. >>>> >>>> Yes....America voted for change, but not change that involves big >>>> government, higher taxes, bailouts, and deficits. America is voting >>>> for change once again and this time, it will be liberal Dems who get >>>> the boot, starting with Reid. >>> >>> I think Randy is right about this. People did vote for sweeping change, >>> especially for things like genuine healthcare reform. But the reality of >>> Washington is that you cannot get something without giving something >>> else away, and inevitably legislation becomes clogged with pork and >>> give-aways to special interests. The current healthcare reform bill has >>> been watered down to the extent that nobody likes it. >>> >>> The issue is not Obama. The issue is systemic corruption and a >>> government more beholden to special interest groups than it is to >>> voters. >> >> It's also too much, too quick. Reasonable steps can be taken >> systematically >> to reform insurance, thereby dropping premiums. It's the one thing the >> government can do...even the playing field all at once. For example, no >> pre-ex underwriting. >> >> I think Obama knew in advance about the back room deals to get the Senate >> votes. It's how they play the game in Chicago. >> >> -Greg > > It 's also how legislation gets done in Washington. Always has been. > > Randy Then what was 'hope and change?'
From: R&B on 20 Jan 2010 22:08 On 2010-01-20 20:45:05 -0500, Jack Hollis said: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:53:30 -0500, "R&B" > <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote: > >> So in effect, a 40-seat minority in the Senate has effectively blocked >> the will of the people that was expressed on election day 2008, when we >> voted for sweeping change, and, for all intents and purposes, somehow >> reversed the outcome of the election. > > Forty senators can't block anything. It was the Democrats that failed > to get things done. They had a sixty vote majority and didn't need > even one Republican vote to pass anything they wanted to pass. Yes, I said that. Getting 60 Democrats to move in a unified direction is like herding cats. Randy
From: R&B on 20 Jan 2010 22:44
On 2010-01-20 21:59:12 -0500, dene said: > "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > news:2010012021512816807-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> On 2010-01-20 14:14:29 -0500, dene said: > >>> I think Obama knew in advance about the back room deals to get the > Senate >>> votes. It's how they play the game in Chicago. >>> >>> -Greg >> >> It 's also how legislation gets done in Washington. Always has been. >> >> Randy > > But he promised to change that, didn't he! A year ago he was innaugerated, > promising all kinds of things, most of which have been broken. He has > nobody to blame but himself. > > -Greg Yes, just like George W. Bush campaigned on being "a uniter, not a divider." Candidates often discover that campaigning is easier than governing. Randy |