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From: R&B on 20 Jan 2010 22:45 On 2010-01-20 22:03:52 -0500, Moderate said: > "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > news:2010012021512816807-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> On 2010-01-20 14:14:29 -0500, dene said: >> >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:4b56f5a5$0$4969$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:00:19 -0800, dene wrote: >>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:2010012001542916807-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>> >>>>>> Dene, the majority of voting Americans voted for Obama's agenda a >>>>>> year ago. Their disapproval now is not over how far-reaching his >>>>>> agenda has been. They voted for it. They voted for SWEEPING CHANGE. >>>>>> Their disapproval is over how little the Dems have been able to get >>>>>> done with the obstructionist right standing in their way at every >>>>>> step, and how watered-down the health care bill has become. >>>>> >>>>> So you are among the small number of loons who do not think Obama is >>>>> left enough. No surprise. He's surrounded himself with your types >>>>> and they are completely out of touch with the pulse of America. >>>>> >>>>> Yes....America voted for change, but not change that involves big >>>>> government, higher taxes, bailouts, and deficits. America is voting >>>>> for change once again and this time, it will be liberal Dems who get >>>>> the boot, starting with Reid. >>>> >>>> I think Randy is right about this. People did vote for sweeping change, >>>> especially for things like genuine healthcare reform. But the reality of >>>> Washington is that you cannot get something without giving something >>>> else away, and inevitably legislation becomes clogged with pork and >>>> give-aways to special interests. The current healthcare reform bill has >>>> been watered down to the extent that nobody likes it. >>>> >>>> The issue is not Obama. The issue is systemic corruption and a >>>> government more beholden to special interest groups than it is to >>>> voters. >>> >>> It's also too much, too quick. Reasonable steps can be taken >> systematically >>> to reform insurance, thereby dropping premiums. It's the one thing the >>> government can do...even the playing field all at once. For example, no >>> pre-ex underwriting. >>> >>> I think Obama knew in advance about the back room deals to get the Senate >>> votes. It's how they play the game in Chicago. >>> >>> -Greg >> >> It 's also how legislation gets done in Washington. Always has been. >> >> Randy > > Then what was 'hope and change?' It's what the majority voted for. The fact that the Grand Obstructionist Party has managed to stop the change agenda in its tracks is a poor testimony on the ability of Congressional Dems. Says very little about Obama. Randy
From: R&B on 20 Jan 2010 22:46 On 2010-01-20 22:05:15 -0500, dene said: > "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote in message > news:4b57bafc$0$12434$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... > > >> The solution to this debate is simple. Dene should write a policy for >> Randy. > > I'm licensed only in Oregon and Washington. He would be on the high risk > plan in Oregon. He'd qualify for a normal plan in Washington, due to > generous state mandate underwriting standards. However, insurance is 20+% > higher in Washington than Oregon, due to this and others mandates. > > -Greg I'm sure you know that the rules here in Georgia governing health insurance are among the least favorable toward the consumer. Randy
From: dene on 20 Jan 2010 22:55 "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message news:2010012022444016807-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > On 2010-01-20 21:59:12 -0500, dene said: > > > "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > > news:2010012021512816807-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > >> On 2010-01-20 14:14:29 -0500, dene said: > > > >>> I think Obama knew in advance about the back room deals to get the > > Senate > >>> votes. It's how they play the game in Chicago. > >>> > >>> -Greg > >> > >> It 's also how legislation gets done in Washington. Always has been. > >> > >> Randy > > > > But he promised to change that, didn't he! A year ago he was innaugerated, > > promising all kinds of things, most of which have been broken. He has > > nobody to blame but himself. > > > > -Greg > > Yes, just like George W. Bush campaigned on being "a uniter, not a divider." > > Candidates often discover that campaigning is easier than governing. > > Randy Dubya didn't make near the promises O made. America are not a bunch a sheep. They know when they are being snookered. -Greg
From: dene on 20 Jan 2010 23:03 "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message news:2010012022465250073-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > On 2010-01-20 22:05:15 -0500, dene said: > > > "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote in message > > news:4b57bafc$0$12434$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... > > > > > >> The solution to this debate is simple. Dene should write a policy for > >> Randy. > > > > I'm licensed only in Oregon and Washington. He would be on the high risk > > plan in Oregon. He'd qualify for a normal plan in Washington, due to > > generous state mandate underwriting standards. However, insurance is 20+% > > higher in Washington than Oregon, due to this and others mandates. > > > > -Greg > > I'm sure you know that the rules here in Georgia governing health > insurance are among the least favorable toward the consumer. > > Randy If true, then your individual rates are likely lower than other states. -Greg
From: dene on 20 Jan 2010 23:06
"R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message news:2010012022083950073-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... > On 2010-01-20 20:45:05 -0500, Jack Hollis said: > > > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:53:30 -0500, "R&B" > > <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote: > > > >> So in effect, a 40-seat minority in the Senate has effectively blocked > >> the will of the people that was expressed on election day 2008, when we > >> voted for sweeping change, and, for all intents and purposes, somehow > >> reversed the outcome of the election. > > > > Forty senators can't block anything. It was the Democrats that failed > > to get things done. They had a sixty vote majority and didn't need > > even one Republican vote to pass anything they wanted to pass. > > > Yes, I said that. > > Getting 60 Democrats to move in a unified direction is like herding cats. > > Randy Especially when the majority of Dems are not as liberal as you, Obama, and Pelosi. -Greg |