From: BAR on
In article <clark-7AF72B.10082122012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> In article <MPG.25c36ed380619933989a75(a)news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <wclark2-99DBF6.20181221012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > >
> > > In article <vbthl55s3k72de3131hts63lp1s5pqaddk(a)4ax.com>,
> > > Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:48:26 -0500, William Clark
> > > > <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Which is precisely what makes insurance an idiotic vehicle for
> > > > >determining health care. Health care should be determined by what is
> > > > >wrong with you that needs treating, not the fine print in some
> > > > >unreadable insurance policy. What next "I'm sorry, I can't have kidney
> > > > >failure today, my insurance company won't allow it?" This is simply nuts.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, half of the money spent on medical care is on
> > > > people who die in 6 months anyway. We can save lots of money by
> > > > spending our money on universal care, but only for people who are
> > > > likely to survive a year.
> > >
> > > Indeed, Bertie would be for triaging those people out onto the street -
> > > they cost him money to keep alive. Unless, of course, it was him.
> >
> > I am in favor of people getting what they can pay for. When I go to the
> > grocery store I have the opportunity to buy the low quality meat or the
> > high quality meat. I would have a better life if I could eat the high
> > quality meat. I can't afford to eat the high quality meat every night of
> > the week so I have to make a choice. Is it fair no, because its not what
> > I want. It just is.
> >
> > Medical insurance is not a right.
>
> "Medical insurance" is not the issue - health care is. Any civilized
> society regards it as a high priority for all its citizens. I can only
> conclude that you cannot be included in that definition.

You can have all of the medical care you can afford. But, when you have
to stick your hand into my pocket to fund your medical care you are
stealing from me.


From: BAR on
In article <clark-20A84D.10095522012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> In article <MPG.25c36ed380619933989a75(a)news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <wclark2-99DBF6.20181221012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > >
> > > In article <vbthl55s3k72de3131hts63lp1s5pqaddk(a)4ax.com>,
> > > Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:48:26 -0500, William Clark
> > > > <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Which is precisely what makes insurance an idiotic vehicle for
> > > > >determining health care. Health care should be determined by what is
> > > > >wrong with you that needs treating, not the fine print in some
> > > > >unreadable insurance policy. What next "I'm sorry, I can't have kidney
> > > > >failure today, my insurance company won't allow it?" This is simply nuts.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, half of the money spent on medical care is on
> > > > people who die in 6 months anyway. We can save lots of money by
> > > > spending our money on universal care, but only for people who are
> > > > likely to survive a year.
> > >
> > > Indeed, Bertie would be for triaging those people out onto the street -
> > > they cost him money to keep alive. Unless, of course, it was him.
> >
> > I am in favor of people getting what they can pay for. When I go to the
> > grocery store I have the opportunity to buy the low quality meat or the
> > high quality meat. I would have a better life if I could eat the high
> > quality meat. I can't afford to eat the high quality meat every night of
> > the week so I have to make a choice. Is it fair no, because its not what
> > I want. It just is.
> >
> > Medical insurance is not a right.
>
> So everyone should only go to a school they can pay for? Everyone should
> only drive on the roads they van afford to buy?
>
> You're nuts.

As soon as your needs, wants and desires require my money you are
stealing from me. Go fund your own needs, wants and desires.

Driving is not a right it is a privilege. Roads are paid for by the
taxes levied on fuels. Pay as you go. It is an interesting concept.


From: BAR on
In article <clark-B5D0B7.13505922012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >
> > > So everyone should only go to a school they can pay for? Everyone should
> > > only drive on the roads they van afford to buy?
> > >
> > > You're nuts.
> >
> > No....he's a captalist. You're a socialist.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> Well, then, he should support universal home or private schooling, and
> the abolition of the public school system. You have to be consistent!
>

Ok.


From: Howard Brazee on
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:09:19 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

>> >You seem to forget the the government works for us. America dosent want this
>> >kind of change. But unlike the Dems, the Repubs. actually listened to their
>> >constituents.
>>
>> America voted for *real* change.
>
>What "real change" did Obama enumerate during the campaign that he has
>implemented? The change Obama has implemented is not the "real change"
>the people of the US wanted, expected and will put up with. The results
>in Virginia, New Jersey and Mass. have borne this out.

Obama kept Bush's policies. The new congress has the same bosses as
the old congress.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:08:21 -0500, William Clark
<clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:

>> Medical insurance is not a right.
>
>"Medical insurance" is not the issue - health care is. Any civilized
>society regards it as a high priority for all its citizens. I can only
>conclude that you cannot be included in that definition.


Most everybody agrees with this to some extent - to the extend that
epidemics endanger me, therefore the state should stop epidemics.

But there are other benefits of health care - to me and to business.
Healthy people are more productive, and unhealthy people cost us more.
And since there are no proposals to stop treating the poor, we will
pay for their care anyway. It's not about money.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison