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From: William Clark on 23 Jan 2010 12:28 In article <MPG.25c3fb82d7df813a989a81(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-20A84D.10095522012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > In article <MPG.25c36ed380619933989a75(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <wclark2-99DBF6.20181221012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > In article <vbthl55s3k72de3131hts63lp1s5pqaddk(a)4ax.com>, > > > > Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:48:26 -0500, William Clark > > > > > <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Which is precisely what makes insurance an idiotic vehicle for > > > > > >determining health care. Health care should be determined by what is > > > > > >wrong with you that needs treating, not the fine print in some > > > > > >unreadable insurance policy. What next "I'm sorry, I can't have > > > > > >kidney > > > > > >failure today, my insurance company won't allow it?" This is simply > > > > > >nuts. > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, half of the money spent on medical care is on > > > > > people who die in 6 months anyway. We can save lots of money by > > > > > spending our money on universal care, but only for people who are > > > > > likely to survive a year. > > > > > > > > Indeed, Bertie would be for triaging those people out onto the street - > > > > they cost him money to keep alive. Unless, of course, it was him. > > > > > > I am in favor of people getting what they can pay for. When I go to the > > > grocery store I have the opportunity to buy the low quality meat or the > > > high quality meat. I would have a better life if I could eat the high > > > quality meat. I can't afford to eat the high quality meat every night of > > > the week so I have to make a choice. Is it fair no, because its not what > > > I want. It just is. > > > > > > Medical insurance is not a right. > > > > So everyone should only go to a school they can pay for? Everyone should > > only drive on the roads they van afford to buy? > > > > You're nuts. > > As soon as your needs, wants and desires require my money you are > stealing from me. Go fund your own needs, wants and desires. Indeed, as you as you do not expect any of my federal taxes to provide an educational subsidy for any of your children. You do pay the full cost of their education yourself, don't you? You know, home or private schooling? > > Driving is not a right it is a privilege. Roads are paid for by the > taxes levied on fuels. Pay as you go. It is an interesting concept. Nice try to deflect. Pathetic, but nice.
From: William Clark on 23 Jan 2010 12:29 In article <7ruodmF4ipU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-B5D0B7.13505922012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <7ru72qF2tkU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > > news:clark-20A84D.10095522012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > In article <MPG.25c36ed380619933989a75(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <wclark2-99DBF6.20181221012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > > > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <vbthl55s3k72de3131hts63lp1s5pqaddk(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:48:26 -0500, William Clark > > > > > > > <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Which is precisely what makes insurance an idiotic vehicle for > > > > > > > >determining health care. Health care should be determined by > what > > > is > > > > > > > >wrong with you that needs treating, not the fine print in some > > > > > > > >unreadable insurance policy. What next "I'm sorry, I can't have > > > kidney > > > > > > > >failure today, my insurance company won't allow it?" This is > simply > > > nuts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, half of the money spent on medical care is on > > > > > > > people who die in 6 months anyway. We can save lots of money > by > > > > > > > spending our money on universal care, but only for people who > are > > > > > > > likely to survive a year. > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, Bertie would be for triaging those people out onto the > > > street - > > > > > > they cost him money to keep alive. Unless, of course, it was him. > > > > > > > > > > I am in favor of people getting what they can pay for. When I go to > the > > > > > grocery store I have the opportunity to buy the low quality meat or > the > > > > > high quality meat. I would have a better life if I could eat the > high > > > > > quality meat. I can't afford to eat the high quality meat every > night of > > > > > the week so I have to make a choice. Is it fair no, because its not > what > > > > > I want. It just is. > > > > > > > > > > Medical insurance is not a right. > > > > > > > > So everyone should only go to a school they can pay for? Everyone > should > > > > only drive on the roads they van afford to buy? > > > > > > > > You're nuts. > > > > > > No....he's a captalist. You're a socialist. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > Well, then, he should support universal home or private schooling, and > > the abolition of the public school system. You have to be consistent! > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Not really. There are some things our society has farmed over to the gov't. > We just don't want to hand them anything else. > > -Greg Why education and not health care?
From: William Clark on 23 Jan 2010 12:30 In article <MPG.25c4b3ad9df97f99989a86(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <06lkl55i62upu4acbsl3e0e8s5p3beilv2(a)4ax.com>, > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:11:51 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >You can have all of the medical care you can afford. But, when you have > > >to stick your hand into my pocket to fund your medical care you are > > >stealing from me. > > > > That's how insurance works. > > That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for their > > treatment of those without money. > > > > What do you propose to change this? > > I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy health insurance. > > All companies price their goods and services so that they can cover > their expenses. If someone orders a box of widgets and does not pay for > them, then that is a cost of doing business. If I find out that the > business is lousy at qualifying its buyers I have the choice of going to > another business to buy my widgets from. > > 1) Health insurance is not a right. No one says it is. It is health CARE that should be a right. > > 2) Nobody is refused health care in life threatening situations, we have > made that illegal. And then the hand goes into your and my pocket to pay for it. > > 3) Stop thinking in terms of shared responsibility and think of personal > responsibility. We have too big and too wide of a safety net in the USA. BS.
From: Carbon on 23 Jan 2010 12:30 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:28:47 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > On 23 Jan 2010 04:00:45 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > wrote: > >>> only through deeds Howard, talk is cheap, as Obama so vividly >>> illustrates. >> >>I wonder how he's doing on total vacation days. > > When you don't like what our politicians are doing - root for them to > take lots of vacation. Yes, well there is that...
From: William Clark on 23 Jan 2010 12:33
In article <4b5a6e91$0$30828$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: > On 22-Jan-2010, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > > > >You can have all of the medical care you can afford. But, when you have > > >to stick your hand into my pocket to fund your medical care you are > > >stealing from me. > > > > That's how insurance works. > > No Howard, Insurance is a contractual relationship. It is entered into on a > voluntary basis. This is not about insurance, it is about talking care. > > > That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for their > > treatment of those without money. > > No Howard, hospitals have funds that many give to that fund this, and even > if their overhead is raised, raising prices, it is not the same and the > gov't taking your money and giving it to others. Why, because every business > has its fixed costs; treating the indigent is what they must do. However, > those that are really concerned about the uninsured would do better to give > to the local hospital's fund for this purpose than to back further gov't > intrusion. Nonsense. Hospitals at public institutions, such as those attached to major universities, have no such funds. Nor do the hospitals in the big corporate hospital chains. They simply absorb those costs by what they charge the fully insured. |