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From: William Clark on 23 Jan 2010 15:16 In article <4b5b4499$0$5105$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:55:55 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b5b2fc6$0$5119$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >>> > >>>>> Medical insurance is not a right. > >>>> > >>>> So everyone should only go to a school they can pay for? Everyone > >>>> should only drive on the roads they van afford to buy? > >>>> > >>>> You're nuts. > >>> > >>> No....he's a captalist. You're a socialist. > >> > >> There's more to it than mere capitalism. If it was just about money, > >> I think it would be fairly obvious to everyone that it would be much > >> less expensive to 1) that have everybody pay into a common pool, and > >> 2) get rid of the corporations skimming 30%+ profit off the top. The > >> US the most inefficient in the world, and by a wide margin too. So it > >> can't be about money. > >> > >> So what else is there? There is absolute faith in corporatism on the > >> part of many ideologues. There is this desperate need to prevent "the > >> undeserving" from getting humane health care, even if it means > >> installing a gate-keeping bureaucracy that drives up the cost for the > >> deserving (e.g. white people). > >> > >> So what else is there? There is racism. That's what. > > > > Do you work for a corporation? If yes, I would suggest that you resign > > on Monday so that you can be true to your values and to yourself. > > > > Why do you want to support and perpetuate organizations that you abhor > > and that you see as the most corrupting influences in the world? > > Once again, you have totally missed the point. Deliberately.
From: William Clark on 23 Jan 2010 15:18 In article <MPG.25c5014a4d9a2d89989a96(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <wclark2-11D082.12305423012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > In article <MPG.25c4b3ad9df97f99989a86(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <06lkl55i62upu4acbsl3e0e8s5p3beilv2(a)4ax.com>, > > > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:11:51 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >You can have all of the medical care you can afford. But, when you > > > > >have > > > > >to stick your hand into my pocket to fund your medical care you are > > > > >stealing from me. > > > > > > > > That's how insurance works. > > > > That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for their > > > > treatment of those without money. > > > > > > > > What do you propose to change this? > > > > > > I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy health insurance. > > > > > > All companies price their goods and services so that they can cover > > > their expenses. If someone orders a box of widgets and does not pay for > > > them, then that is a cost of doing business. If I find out that the > > > business is lousy at qualifying its buyers I have the choice of going to > > > another business to buy my widgets from. > > > > > > 1) Health insurance is not a right. > > > > No one says it is. It is health CARE that should be a right. > > Health care is a service that someone provides you, it is not a right. > If there are no doctors how do you get your health care? So is education. If there are no teachers, how do you get an education? > > > > > > > 2) Nobody is refused health care in life threatening situations, we have > > > made that illegal. > > > > And then the hand goes into your and my pocket to pay for it. > > The person receiving the health care services should pay for the health > care services they receive. If they need to negotiate a payment plan > then they should do that. But, expecting other people to pay for your > health care is selfish and immoral. Or they should be left to die, I suppose . . ? > > > > > > > 3) Stop thinking in terms of shared responsibility and think of personal > > > responsibility. We have too big and too wide of a safety net in the USA. > > > > BS. > > You are against personal responsibility? I thought so! No, I am for the personal responsibility of caring for my fellow human beings less able to take care of themselves than I am.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 23 Jan 2010 15:16 On Jan 23, 11:02 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <4b5b17ee$0$5085$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:07:44 -0500, BAR wrote: > > > In article <4b5a746d$0$4889$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > >> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:13:39 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > >>> On 20-Jan-2010, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > > > >>>> So can the Republicans persuade them that previous Republican > > >>>> administrations were anomalies? > > > >>> only through deeds Howard, talk is cheap, as Obama so vividly > > >>> illustrates. > > > >> I wonder how he's doing on total vacation days. > > > > The President of the US regardless of whether he be a Democrat, a > > > Republican or of other political affiliation is never on vacation. > > > I didn't realize golf, fishing, mountainbiking, etc were work. > > When you play golf or go bike riding on Saturday or Sunday do you take > vacation time from work. > > Freaking argumentative idiot. Bush II quit golfing after becoming president because he thought it would set a bad example to for the POTUS to be seen golfing.
From: William Clark on 23 Jan 2010 15:20 In article <MPG.25c4f87bb230d53989a90(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <cq9ml5127hejfuftu8c85v5t4p4jr0d5ek(a)4ax.com>, > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:56:19 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >> That's how insurance works. > > >> That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for their > > >> treatment of those without money. > > >> > > >> What do you propose to change this? > > > > > >I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy health insurance. > > > > True. But if you choose not to buy health insurance, and get into a > > serious accident, they won't verify this before calling for flight to > > life, getting you to a hospital, and saving your life. (They also > > won't check to see if you have the means to pay). They will save > > your life, and we will pay. > > I should be billed for the services I received. Everyone receiving > services in from any business should pay for those services and if the > do not pay for the services they receive they should be arrested for > theft or sued. So health is just a business, is it? Why isn't education "just a business", then? You are not being billed for the services you receive there, you are being subsidized by the entire community, including those that will never take advantage of the education system. > > Again, why are medical services different from all other services when > it comes to paying for the services you receive. Are you paying for your children's education? Oh, yes, by taxes.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 23 Jan 2010 15:18
On Jan 23, 12:30 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > In article <MPG.25c4b3ad9df97f99989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > In article <06lkl55i62upu4acbsl3e0e8s5p3bei...(a)4ax.com>, > > how...(a)brazee.net says... > > > > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:11:51 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >You can have all of the medical care you can afford. But, when you have > > > >to stick your hand into my pocket to fund your medical care you are > > > >stealing from me. > > > > That's how insurance works. > > > That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for their > > > treatment of those without money. > > > > What do you propose to change this? > > > I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy health insurance. > > > All companies price their goods and services so that they can cover > > their expenses. If someone orders a box of widgets and does not pay for > > them, then that is a cost of doing business. If I find out that the > > business is lousy at qualifying its buyers I have the choice of going to > > another business to buy my widgets from. > > > 1) Health insurance is not a right. > > No one says it is. It is health CARE that should be a right. > > > > > 2) Nobody is refused health care in life threatening situations, we have > > made that illegal. > > And then the hand goes into your and my pocket to pay for it. > > > > > 3) Stop thinking in terms of shared responsibility and think of personal > > responsibility. We have too big and too wide of a safety net in the USA.. > > BS. Everyone has access to health care, just like education. The issue is how to pay for it. The fact is that only the govt can't pay for it's commitments in the near future, and want to stick their hands into the taxpayers pockets to cover the promises they made. Another fact is that even then, there isn't enough wealth to cover those commitments. |