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From: dene on 24 Jan 2010 00:34 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4b5b2fc6$0$5119$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:59:03 -0800, dene wrote: > > No....he's a captalist. You're a socialist. > > There's more to it than mere capitalism. If it was just about money, I > think it would be fairly obvious to everyone that it would be much less > expensive to 1) that have everybody pay into a common pool, and 2) get > rid of the corporations skimming 30%+ profit off the top. The US the > most inefficient in the world, and by a wide margin too. So it can't be > about money. Where are you getting 30% profits from? Everything I've read says that the health insurers are making 3%. They have to submit rates for approval to a State insurance department each time they change them. Unless you believe 50 state ins. departments are being bribed, you should consider that their profit margins, i.e. claims/loss ratio, are pretty skinny. You are correct about the need for everyone to pay into a common pool, which is precisely why the individual mandate is essential. Met a nice couple from Victoria who may buy my boat. He's an anthesiologist, she works for a private agency, contracted by the government to evaluate medical procedures, i.e. to determine if they truly are needed. IOW, rationing. Americans will never accept this and she agreed. It's a contrast of two cultures. You are wasting text discussing single payor in the US, Carbs. It was also interesting to hear them talk about this 12% "Harmony" (sales) tax that is forthcoming. Want to buy a home in B.C.? Just add an extra 12% to the price. Good Lord! -Greg
From: assimilate on 24 Jan 2010 01:08 On 24-Jan-2010, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > After the medical industry spent enough money buying Congress > > Critters, we the health care bill turns out to be same old insurance, > > except with more customers. The proposal was different from what > > Bush would do, but the result is more corporate welfare. > > ....and exactly what is wrong with big corporations. Who employs the > folks, > Howard? You're just spouting cliches. Sometimes I think Howard thinks in them only -- bill-o
From: assimilate on 24 Jan 2010 01:10 On 23-Jan-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > IOW, rationing. Americans will never accept this and she agreed. > > It's a contrast of two cultures. You are wasting text discussing > > single payor in the US, Carbs. > > Greg, be serious. More rationing happens in the US than in any other > first world country. please explain yourself, as this is absurd on it's face. -- bill-o
From: dene on 24 Jan 2010 02:42 "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message news:m09ml5522i831lbtmohjqpc0abnompt37t(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:35:46 GMT, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: > I suspect a lot of people are against this plan because they don't > want to acknowledge that they are paying for the poor. People are against it because they perceive it will do nothing to reduce their own premiums. -Greg
From: BAR on 24 Jan 2010 08:09
In article <wclark2-38BD28.15204023012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > In article <MPG.25c4f87bb230d53989a90(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <cq9ml5127hejfuftu8c85v5t4p4jr0d5ek(a)4ax.com>, > > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:56:19 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> That's how insurance works. > > > >> That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for their > > > >> treatment of those without money. > > > >> > > > >> What do you propose to change this? > > > > > > > >I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy health insurance. > > > > > > True. But if you choose not to buy health insurance, and get into a > > > serious accident, they won't verify this before calling for flight to > > > life, getting you to a hospital, and saving your life. (They also > > > won't check to see if you have the means to pay). They will save > > > your life, and we will pay. > > > > I should be billed for the services I received. Everyone receiving > > services in from any business should pay for those services and if the > > do not pay for the services they receive they should be arrested for > > theft or sued. > > So health is just a business, is it? Why isn't education "just a > business", then? You are not being billed for the services you receive > there, you are being subsidized by the entire community, including those > that will never take advantage of the education system. Does OSU make a profit off of their students? Does OSU charge more than the actual expenses? If yes, then they are a business. In the business of selling education. > > > > Again, why are medical services different from all other services when > > it comes to paying for the services you receive. > > Are you paying for your children's education? Oh, yes, by taxes. I'm not paying yet. I am saving and I am saving quite a bit. I figure I will need about $30,000 a year saved up for each kid and then there will be about $1,500 a month out of pocket costs to me. Damn kids want to go to Ivy league schools. |