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From: Carbon on 24 Jan 2010 09:51 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:55:11 -0800, dene wrote: > You snipped the part about the 12% Harmony tax. It's relevent to this > discussion. If your government needs to do this to finance the needs of > 35 million, think what our bloated, inefficient gov't would require. > > I respect your country and it's system. It just will not work here. > Part of it is culture. The US was born out of rebellion and immigrants > risking all to make a better life. Canadians have a different history, > which makes them more agreeable to cradle to grave socialism and the > accompanying taxes. Case in point...in Oregon one cannot pump your own > gas. A gas station must pay somebody to do it for you. There has been > attempts to repeal this silly law but it goes down in flames every time. > Why? It's part of our state culture. Same is true about our employer > based health insurance system. I haven't been in BC since 1999. I left the harmony tax out because I've never heard of it. If it's a regular sales tax that pays for higher quality healthcare and better schools, it is possible that a majority of Canadians will be in favor of it. The difference, I think, is there is more trust that tax revenue will be spent on the things the government says they will be spent on. There is a fundamentally different culture in the US, a willingness to say "you can't have it!" to fellow citizens. To an outsider, it's surprising. I don't understand it. I think there is absolutely a racist component that is deliberately exploited by the far right media and its sponsors. Watch enough Fox and you can practically see an endless wave of syphilitic, leprous Mexicans jumping the fences to join all the lazy, illiterate Blacks lounging around collecting welfare.
From: BAR on 24 Jan 2010 10:42 In article <4b5c59cd$0$4851$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:46:54 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b5bcd74$0$30935$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:34:37 -0500, BAR wrote: > >>> In article <50718a59-d231-4b4b-a2ae- > >>> 8193b8547fff(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, frostback2002(a)att.net > >>> says... > >>>> On Jan 23, 11:02�am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > >>>>> In article <4b5b17ee$0$5085$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >>>>> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >>>>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:07:44 -0500, BAR wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The President of the US regardless of whether he be a Democrat, > >>>>>>> a Republican or of other political affiliation is never on > >>>>>>> vacation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I didn't realize golf, fishing, mountainbiking, etc were work. > >>>>> > >>>>> When you play golf or go bike riding on Saturday or Sunday do you > >>>>> take vacation time from work. > >>>>> > >>>>> Freaking argumentative idiot. > >>>> > >>>> Bush II quit golfing after becoming president because he thought it > >>>> would set a bad example to for the POTUS to be seen golfing. > >>> > >>> Obama doesn't seem to hold that view, he's played more the 25 times > >>> in his first year in office. > >>> > >>> I'm not jealous but, the D's have no place to complain. > >> > >> Be sure to let us know when he matches Wubya's record for vacation > >> days. > > > > The POTUS, R or D or other affiliation, is never on vacation. In fact > > I challenge you to show me in the job description or the POTUS or in > > the his T&A (Time and Attendance) reporting that any president has > > ever recorded a day of vacation. > > That's hilarious. Presidents are as involved as they want to be. Those > who were largely unaware of was going on around them, like Reagan and > Wubya, took a lot of them. Those who cared about policy and such, like > Clinton and Obama, took fewer. The records are there for all to see. > Look 'em up. Show me their time cards where they recorded vacation time.
From: Carbon on 24 Jan 2010 11:24 On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:42:37 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b5c59cd$0$4851$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:46:54 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b5bcd74$0$30935$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:34:37 -0500, BAR wrote: >>>>> In article <50718a59-d231-4b4b-a2ae- >>>>> 8193b8547fff(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, frostback2002(a)att.net >>>>> says... >>>>>> On Jan 23, 11:02 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>>>> In article <4b5b17ee$0$5085$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>>>>> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:07:44 -0500, BAR wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The President of the US regardless of whether he be a >>>>>>>>> Democrat, a Republican or of other political affiliation is >>>>>>>>> never on vacation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I didn't realize golf, fishing, mountainbiking, etc were work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you play golf or go bike riding on Saturday or Sunday do >>>>>>> you take vacation time from work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Freaking argumentative idiot. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bush II quit golfing after becoming president because he thought >>>>>> it would set a bad example to for the POTUS to be seen golfing. >>>>> >>>>> Obama doesn't seem to hold that view, he's played more the 25 >>>>> times in his first year in office. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not jealous but, the D's have no place to complain. >>>> >>>> Be sure to let us know when he matches Wubya's record for vacation >>>> days. >>> >>> The POTUS, R or D or other affiliation, is never on vacation. In >>> fact I challenge you to show me in the job description or the POTUS >>> or in the his T&A (Time and Attendance) reporting that any president >>> has ever recorded a day of vacation. >> >> That's hilarious. Presidents are as involved as they want to be. >> Those who were largely unaware of was going on around them, like >> Reagan and Wubya, took a lot of them. Those who cared about policy >> and such, like Clinton and Obama, took fewer. The records are there >> for all to see. Look 'em up. > > Show me their time cards where they recorded vacation time. http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/ Obama took all or part of 26 days on vacation during his first year in office, less than either one of the Bushes (especially Wubya), and slightly more than Clinton and Carter. According to the cite, "of the 77 total "vacation" trips the former president made to his Texas ranch while in office, nine of them — all or part of 69 days — came during his first year as president." Note that this only includes trips to Wubya's "ranch," not to Camp David. According to the cite, Wubya also spent close to three times as many days there as Obama did during his first year.
From: William Clark on 24 Jan 2010 12:16 In article <7s23f4FircU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > news:wclark2-6CD7D2.12290223012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > Why education and not health care? > > One reason is that there is no end to it. When was the last time you heard > of an educator tell the public, "we have enough funds, thank you very much." > In Oregon, K-12, the state spends 10k. per child. A classroom of 24 equals > $240,000. The teacher makes 70k tops. So where is the rest going?? > > Medicare is just as bad. So would be any sort of a gov't health care plan. > > -Greg What are you talking about?
From: William Clark on 24 Jan 2010 12:23
In article <MPG.25c536ae94ae9c53989a9e(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <wclark2-38BD28.15204023012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > In article <MPG.25c4f87bb230d53989a90(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <cq9ml5127hejfuftu8c85v5t4p4jr0d5ek(a)4ax.com>, > > > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:56:19 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> That's how insurance works. > > > > >> That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for their > > > > >> treatment of those without money. > > > > >> > > > > >> What do you propose to change this? > > > > > > > > > >I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy health insurance. > > > > > > > > True. But if you choose not to buy health insurance, and get into a > > > > serious accident, they won't verify this before calling for flight to > > > > life, getting you to a hospital, and saving your life. (They also > > > > won't check to see if you have the means to pay). They will save > > > > your life, and we will pay. > > > > > > I should be billed for the services I received. Everyone receiving > > > services in from any business should pay for those services and if the > > > do not pay for the services they receive they should be arrested for > > > theft or sued. > > > > So health is just a business, is it? Why isn't education "just a > > business", then? You are not being billed for the services you receive > > there, you are being subsidized by the entire community, including those > > that will never take advantage of the education system. > > Does OSU make a profit off of their students? Does OSU charge more than > the actual expenses? If yes, then they are a business. In the business > of selling education. No, and no. State universities are subsidized by state taxes, and from the overhead on external research funds. Tuition only accounts for about 40% of the university budget. So, we can charge the economic rate in fees and tuitions, and then almost none of Ohio's citizens will be able to afford to go to college. Go read the Morrill Act and see what the intention of those wiser than you was. > > > > > > > Again, why are medical services different from all other services when > > > it comes to paying for the services you receive. > > > > Are you paying for your children's education? Oh, yes, by taxes. > > I'm not paying yet. I am saving and I am saving quite a bit. I figure I > will need about $30,000 a year saved up for each kid and then there will > be about $1,500 a month out of pocket costs to me. Damn kids want to go > to Ivy league schools. You are not paying for their high school education? Surely you have them in private schools or home schooled, just on principle. You know, personal responsibility and all that. |