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From: Carbon on 24 Jan 2010 12:56 On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:49:02 -0800, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b5c5a4b$0$4862$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:42:25 -0800, dene wrote: >>> "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message >>> news:m09ml5522i831lbtmohjqpc0abnompt37t(a)4ax.com... >>> >>>> I suspect a lot of people are against this plan because they don't >>>> want to acknowledge that they are paying for the poor. >>> >>> People are against it because they perceive it will do nothing to >>> reduce their own premiums. >> >> It's more complicated than that, tied in with Americans' fear and >> suspicion of each other (racism) and how expertly those biases are >> manipulated by big healthcare for its own benefit. > > Race has nothing to do with it. The bill will not directly reduce > premiums and it robs from medicare. It's complicated, corrupt, and > too encompassing. I'll accept that your arguments are rational, but by and large peoples' decisions about such things are not guided by reason--as advertisers, lobbyists and Fox News all know. I argue that some of those who stand to benefit most from universal healthcare (lower income whites) are being manipulated by vested interests who cynically appeal to sub rosa racism.
From: Don Kirkman on 24 Jan 2010 13:19 It seems to me I heard somewhere that BAR wrote in article <MPG.25c536ae94ae9c53989a9e(a)news.giganews.com>: >In article <wclark2-38BD28.15204023012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- >state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... >> Are you paying for your children's education? Oh, yes, by taxes. >I'm not paying yet. I am saving and I am saving quite a bit. I figure I >will need about $30,000 a year saved up for each kid and then there will >be about $1,500 a month out of pocket costs to me. Damn kids want to go >to Ivy league schools. How is that possible if they're over about six years old? Home schooling, maybe, or not paying taxes, but ISTM not possible otherwise. -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net
From: Howard Brazee on 24 Jan 2010 13:36 On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:08:45 GMT, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: >> ....and exactly what is wrong with big corporations. Who employs the >> folks, >> Howard? You're just spouting cliches. > >Sometimes I think Howard thinks in them only The reason "Follow the money" is a cliche is because it is so often enlightening. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 24 Jan 2010 13:40 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:42:25 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >> I suspect a lot of people are against this plan because they don't >> want to acknowledge that they are paying for the poor. > >People are against it because they perceive it will do nothing to reduce >their own premiums. Sure, it's a lousy excuse for a health care bill that doesn't do much. But people are against it because their premiums won't change? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Jack Hollis on 24 Jan 2010 13:50
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:48:20 GMT, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: >On 23-Jan-2010, William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > >> No one says it is. It is health CARE that should be a right. > >It already is. Jack posted the relevent Federal Statute. > >-- >bill-o By law, all people in the US, including illegal aliens, have a right to medical care. It's a bad law, but that's the way it is. The idea that there are people in the US who don't have health care is flat out wrong. |