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From: William Clark on 26 Jan 2010 08:24 In article <MPG.25c7ffbc1a094211989ab8(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-A2D2E5.17314525012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > In article <MPG.25c76f7093acbf2e989ab6(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <6bc68dda-a56e-4442-be1a- > > > d716ae5c749f(a)n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, frostback2002(a)att.net says... > > > > > > > > > > You can only do that if you eliminate research in the sciences and > > > > > technology. It's way too expensive for tuition only revenue streams, > > > > > which is why relatively little of it in these fields is done in the > > > > > private schools. > > > > > > > > Private schools like Harvard? Education is one thing, research another > > > > in any event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't Harvard's current endowment at such a high level that it could > > > afford, even with its recent losses, to stop charging tuition and it > > > wouldn't adversely affect its ability to operate in perpetuity? > > > > It probably could, and it would be out of endowments in pretty short > > order. Do you have any idea what the operating budget of a large > > university is per annum? Go look it up. > > Make the professors teach a full schedule. And what, from your vast experience of universities, is a "full schedule"?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 26 Jan 2010 11:13 On Jan 25, 5:27 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article > <a128dbf9-403c-4d78-86bd-b7d48cccc...(a)g1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Jan 25, 3:02 pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > > > On 24-Jan-2010, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > Carbon thinks that if someone doesn't have health insurance that they > > > > > don't have health care. In reality people in the US without health > > > > > insurance have access to much better health care than anyone in > > > > > Canada. > > > > > So someone with no health insurance can just pop in to see a family > > > > doctor when they feel something coming on? BS. > > > > sure, pay cash! > > > > -- > > > bill-o > > > Which is true, however in Canada you can't just pop in and get service > > at a given health care provider, even if you do pay cash! > > That's right - many of their family doctors will still come to you. What > a terrible notion! Oh boy! IF the chosen one for you decides to go to you, they can! They can do the same in the US, BTW, if they want! Another nice thing about the Canadian system is that if Family doc decides you need to see a specialist, you have to get the referral from family doc. You don't get to choose to see a specialist if you want, only if family doc says it's OK, and then only a specialist of family docs choosing!
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 26 Jan 2010 11:13 On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article <4b5df698$0$31319$882e0...(a)news.ThunderNews.com>, > > assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > > On 24-Jan-2010, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > Personally, I'd be very happy if there were no public schools, > > > > including colleges, no Medicare, no Social Security and no public > > > > housing. Then you can get rid of NPR and the NEA. > > > > > The government has no business spending taxpayer money on any of these > > > > things. > > > > And go back to living in mud huts. Good idea. > > > sorry, but that you think one follows the other puts the quality of that > > Oxford Education in doubt. > > Wiser men that you, over 800 years ago, thought it important for society > to invest in educating its young, and endowed great universities. I > guess you are intent on disproving that notion. ...to train people for the church......
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 26 Jan 2010 11:16 On Jan 25, 5:30 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article > <6bc68dda-a56e-4442-be1a-d716ae5c7...(a)n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Jan 25, 8:13 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > state.edu> wrote: > > > In article > > > <66c6dafd-b068-4892-80b1-2d161c41c...(a)m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > On Jan 24, 12:23 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > In article <MPG.25c536ae94ae9c53989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > In article <wclark2-38BD28.15204023012...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > > > > state.edu>, wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > In article <MPG.25c4f87bb230d53989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <cq9ml5127hejfuftu8c85v5t4p4jr0d...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > > > how...(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:56:19 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> That's how insurance works. > > > > > > > > > >> That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for > > > > > > > > > >> their > > > > > > > > > >> treatment of those without money. > > > > > > > > > > >> What do you propose to change this? > > > > > > > > > > >I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy health > > > > > > > > > >insurance. > > > > > > > > > > True. But if you choose not to buy health insurance, and get > > > > > > > > > into a > > > > > > > > > serious accident, they won't verify this before calling for > > > > > > > > > flight > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > life, getting you to a hospital, and saving your life. (They > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > won't check to see if you have the means to pay). They will > > > > > > > > > save > > > > > > > > > your life, and we will pay. > > > > > > > > > I should be billed for the services I received. Everyone > > > > > > > > receiving > > > > > > > > services in from any business should pay for those services and > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > do not pay for the services they receive they should be arrested > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > theft or sued. > > > > > > > > So health is just a business, is it? Why isn't education "just a > > > > > > > business", then? You are not being billed for the services you > > > > > > > receive > > > > > > > there, you are being subsidized by the entire community, including > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > that will never take advantage of the education system. > > > > > > > Does OSU make a profit off of their students? Does OSU charge more > > > > > > than > > > > > > the actual expenses? If yes, then they are a business. In the > > > > > > business > > > > > > of selling education. > > > > > > No, and no. State universities are subsidized by state taxes, and from > > > > > the overhead on external research funds. Tuition only accounts for > > > > > about > > > > > 40% of the university budget. So, we can charge the economic rate in > > > > > fees and tuitions, and then almost none of Ohio's citizens will be able > > > > > to afford to go to college. Go read the Morrill Act and see what the > > > > > intention of those wiser than you was. > > > > > > > > > Again, why are medical services different from all other services > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > it comes to paying for the services you receive. > > > > > > > > Are you paying for your children's education? Oh, yes, by taxes. > > > > > > > I'm not paying yet. I am saving and I am saving quite a bit. I figure > > > > > > I > > > > > > will need about $30,000 a year saved up for each kid and then there > > > > > > will > > > > > > be about $1,500 a month out of pocket costs to me. Damn kids want to > > > > > > go > > > > > > to Ivy league schools. > > > > > > You are not paying for their high school education? Surely you have > > > > > them > > > > > in private schools or home schooled, just on principle. You know, > > > > > personal responsibility and all that. > > > > > Absolutely untrue. Private colleges can easily stay in business > > > > charging effectively about $200.00 per credit hour. Get rid of the > > > > deadwood faculty, the excess administration and excess physical plant > > > > and it's no problem. People should *ALWAYS* be able to choose public > > > > vs private in any situation, and either have the public subsidy follow > > > > the *PEOPLE'S* choice, or fund public schools exclusively as a > > > > function of the number of students, with the allocation per student > > > > rigidly attached to the cost per student in private schools. > > > > You can only do that if you eliminate research in the sciences and > > > technology. It's way too expensive for tuition only revenue streams, > > > which is why relatively little of it in these fields is done in the > > > private schools. > > > Private schools like Harvard? Education is one thing, research another > > in any event. > > Indeed. tell me all about Harvard's engineering and technology research. > > There, that didn't take long, did it? Long of what? Applied research should be done by those with an interest in the application, like private business. Universities should do only basic research. As it is now, you have a lot of faculty at a lot of Materials Science departments in public universities, "inventing" a lot of useless "materials" hoping to hit some mother lode...mostly a waste of time and money. While I have only gone to a couple of materials science conferences, what amazed me was the uselessness of most of what was being done.
From: William Clark on 26 Jan 2010 11:19
In article <d21b676a-0394-4f38-b129-a765587ef305(a)a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Jan 25, 5:27�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > In article > > <a128dbf9-403c-4d78-86bd-b7d48cccc...(a)g1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Jan 25, 3:02�pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > > > > On 24-Jan-2010, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Carbon thinks that if someone doesn't have health insurance that > > > > > > they > > > > > > don't have health care. �In reality people in the US without health > > > > > > insurance have access to much better health care than anyone in > > > > > > Canada. > > > > > > > So someone with no health insurance can just pop in to see a family > > > > > doctor when they feel something coming on? BS. > > > > > > sure, pay cash! > > > > > > -- > > > > bill-o > > > > > Which is true, however in Canada you can't just pop in and get service > > > at a given health care provider, even if you do pay cash! > > > > That's right - many of their family doctors will still come to you. What > > a terrible notion! > > Oh boy! IF the chosen one for you decides to go to you, they can! They > can do the same in the US, BTW, if they want! Which they don't. > > Another nice thing about the Canadian system is that if Family doc > decides you need to see a specialist, you have to get the referral > from family doc. You don't get to choose to see a specialist if you > want, only if family doc says it's OK, and then only a specialist of > family docs choosing! Same with many insurance plans, where the family doctor is the gatekeeper between the patient and specialists. Also most plans limit the specialists you can see to those within their network. |