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From: William Clark on 26 Jan 2010 11:22 In article <a7082048-ed84-446d-b1be-00ec25e0b9bf(a)33g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Jan 25, 5:30�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > In article > > <6bc68dda-a56e-4442-be1a-d716ae5c7...(a)n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Jan 25, 8:13�am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <66c6dafd-b068-4892-80b1-2d161c41c...(a)m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 24, 12:23�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > In article <MPG.25c536ae94ae9c53989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > �BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <wclark2-38BD28.15204023012...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > > > > > state.edu>, wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > > In article <MPG.25c4f87bb230d53989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > �BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <cq9ml5127hejfuftu8c85v5t4p4jr0d...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > > > > how...(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:56:19 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> That's how insurance works. > > > > > > > > > > >> That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for > > > > > > > > > > >> their > > > > > > > > > > >> treatment of those without money. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What do you propose to change this? > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy health > > > > > > > > > > >insurance. > > > > > > > > > > > > True. � �But if you choose not to buy health insurance, and > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > into a > > > > > > > > > > serious accident, they won't verify this before calling for > > > > > > > > > > flight > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > life, getting you to a hospital, and saving your life. � > > > > > > > > > > (They > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > won't check to see if you have the means to pay). � �They > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > save > > > > > > > > > > your life, and we will pay. > > > > > > > > > > > I should be billed for the services I received. Everyone > > > > > > > > > receiving > > > > > > > > > services in from any business should pay for those services > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > do not pay for the services they receive they should be > > > > > > > > > arrested > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > theft or sued. > > > > > > > > > > So health is just a business, is it? Why isn't education "just > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > business", then? You are not being billed for the services you > > > > > > > > receive > > > > > > > > there, you are being subsidized by the entire community, > > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > that will never take advantage of the education system. > > > > > > > > > Does OSU make a profit off of their students? Does OSU charge > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > the actual expenses? If yes, then they are a business. In the > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > of selling education. > > > > > > > > No, and no. State universities are subsidized by state taxes, and > > > > > > from > > > > > > the overhead on external research funds. Tuition only accounts for > > > > > > about > > > > > > 40% of the university budget. �So, we can charge the economic rate > > > > > > in > > > > > > fees and tuitions, and then almost none of Ohio's citizens will be > > > > > > able > > > > > > to afford to go to college. Go read the Morrill Act and see what > > > > > > the > > > > > > intention of those wiser than you was. > > > > > > > > > > > Again, why are medical services different from all other > > > > > > > > > services > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > it comes to paying for the services you receive. > > > > > > > > > > Are you paying for your children's education? Oh, yes, by > > > > > > > > taxes. > > > > > > > > > I'm not paying yet. I am saving and I am saving quite a bit. I > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > will need about $30,000 a year saved up for each kid and then > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be about $1,500 a month out of pocket costs to me. Damn kids want > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > to Ivy league schools. > > > > > > > > You are not paying for their high school education? Surely you have > > > > > > them > > > > > > in private schools or home schooled, just on principle. You know, > > > > > > personal responsibility and all that. > > > > > > > Absolutely untrue. Private colleges can easily stay in business > > > > > charging effectively about $200.00 per credit hour. Get rid of the > > > > > deadwood faculty, the excess administration and excess physical plant > > > > > and it's no problem. People should *ALWAYS* be able to choose public > > > > > vs private in any situation, and either have the public subsidy > > > > > follow > > > > > the *PEOPLE'S* choice, or fund public schools exclusively as a > > > > > function of the number of students, with the allocation per student > > > > > rigidly attached to the cost per student in private schools. > > > > > > You can only do that if you eliminate research in the sciences and > > > > technology. It's way too expensive for tuition only revenue streams, > > > > which is why relatively little of it in these fields is done in the > > > > private schools. > > > > > Private schools like Harvard? Education is one thing, research another > > > in any event. > > > > Indeed. tell me all about Harvard's engineering and technology research. > > > > There, that didn't take long, did it? > > Long of what? Applied research should be done by those with an > interest in the application, like private business. Universities > should do only basic research. As it is now, you have a lot of faculty > at a lot of Materials Science departments in public universities, > "inventing" a lot of useless "materials" hoping to hit some mother > lode...mostly a waste of time and money. While I have only gone to a > couple of materials science conferences, what amazed me was the > uselessness of most of what was being done. You are 180 degrees out of phase with all higher education philosophies. No surprise, that those that don't do research, don;t think anyone else should either. Which materials science "conferences" did you go to? Specifics, please.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 26 Jan 2010 14:46 On Jan 26, 11:19 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article > <d21b676a-0394-4f38-b129-a765587ef...(a)a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Jan 25, 5:27 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > state.edu> wrote: > > > In article > > > <a128dbf9-403c-4d78-86bd-b7d48cccc...(a)g1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > On Jan 25, 3:02 pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > > > > > On 24-Jan-2010, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Carbon thinks that if someone doesn't have health insurance that > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > don't have health care. In reality people in the US without health > > > > > > > insurance have access to much better health care than anyone in > > > > > > > Canada. > > > > > > > So someone with no health insurance can just pop in to see a family > > > > > > doctor when they feel something coming on? BS. > > > > > > sure, pay cash! > > > > > > -- > > > > > bill-o > > > > > Which is true, however in Canada you can't just pop in and get service > > > > at a given health care provider, even if you do pay cash! > > > > That's right - many of their family doctors will still come to you. What > > > a terrible notion! > > > Oh boy! IF the chosen one for you decides to go to you, they can! They > > can do the same in the US, BTW, if they want! > > Which they don't. > > > > > Another nice thing about the Canadian system is that if Family doc > > decides you need to see a specialist, you have to get the referral > > from family doc. You don't get to choose to see a specialist if you > > want, only if family doc says it's OK, and then only a specialist of > > family docs choosing! > > Same with many insurance plans, where the family doctor is the > gatekeeper between the patient and specialists. Also most plans limit > the specialists you can see to those within their network. Absolutely untrue. I can see any specialist who will take me. The decision rests solely with me and the specialist. All the insurance company can do is cover it or not, which is another issue. In the case of my wife and I, we have chosen the best specialist available when required and had no problem with insurance. In Canada, you get no choice.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 26 Jan 2010 14:48 On Jan 26, 11:22 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article > <a7082048-ed84-446d-b1be-00ec25e0b...(a)33g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Jan 25, 5:30 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > state.edu> wrote: > > > In article > > > <6bc68dda-a56e-4442-be1a-d716ae5c7...(a)n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > On Jan 25, 8:13 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > > In article > > > > > <66c6dafd-b068-4892-80b1-2d161c41c...(a)m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 24, 12:23 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > In article <MPG.25c536ae94ae9c53989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <wclark2-38BD28.15204023012...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > > > > > > state.edu>, wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > > In article <MPG.25c4f87bb230d53989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <cq9ml5127hejfuftu8c85v5t4p4jr0d...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > > > > > how...(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:56:19 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> That's how insurance works. > > > > > > > > > > > >> That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay for > > > > > > > > > > > >> their > > > > > > > > > > > >> treatment of those without money. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What do you propose to change this? > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy health > > > > > > > > > > > >insurance. > > > > > > > > > > > > True. But if you choose not to buy health insurance, and > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > into a > > > > > > > > > > > serious accident, they won't verify this before calling for > > > > > > > > > > > flight > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > life, getting you to a hospital, and saving your life.. > > > > > > > > > > > (They > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > won't check to see if you have the means to pay). They > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > save > > > > > > > > > > > your life, and we will pay. > > > > > > > > > > > I should be billed for the services I received. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > receiving > > > > > > > > > > services in from any business should pay for those services > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > do not pay for the services they receive they should be > > > > > > > > > > arrested > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > theft or sued. > > > > > > > > > > So health is just a business, is it? Why isn't education "just > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > business", then? You are not being billed for the services you > > > > > > > > > receive > > > > > > > > > there, you are being subsidized by the entire community, > > > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > that will never take advantage of the education system. > > > > > > > > > Does OSU make a profit off of their students? Does OSU charge > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > the actual expenses? If yes, then they are a business. In the > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > of selling education. > > > > > > > > No, and no. State universities are subsidized by state taxes, and > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the overhead on external research funds. Tuition only accounts for > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > 40% of the university budget. So, we can charge the economic rate > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > fees and tuitions, and then almost none of Ohio's citizens will be > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > to afford to go to college. Go read the Morrill Act and see what > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > intention of those wiser than you was. > > > > > > > > > > > Again, why are medical services different from all other > > > > > > > > > > services > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > it comes to paying for the services you receive. > > > > > > > > > > Are you paying for your children's education? Oh, yes, by > > > > > > > > > taxes. > > > > > > > > > I'm not paying yet. I am saving and I am saving quite a bit.. I > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > will need about $30,000 a year saved up for each kid and then > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be about $1,500 a month out of pocket costs to me. Damn kids want > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > to Ivy league schools. > > > > > > > > You are not paying for their high school education? Surely you have > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > in private schools or home schooled, just on principle. You know, > > > > > > > personal responsibility and all that. > > > > > > > Absolutely untrue. Private colleges can easily stay in business > > > > > > charging effectively about $200.00 per credit hour. Get rid of the > > > > > > deadwood faculty, the excess administration and excess physical plant > > > > > > and it's no problem. People should *ALWAYS* be able to choose public > > > > > > vs private in any situation, and either have the public subsidy > > > > > > follow > > > > > > the *PEOPLE'S* choice, or fund public schools exclusively as a > > > > > > function of the number of students, with the allocation per student > > > > > > rigidly attached to the cost per student in private schools. > > > > > > You can only do that if you eliminate research in the sciences and > > > > > technology. It's way too expensive for tuition only revenue streams, > > > > > which is why relatively little of it in these fields is done in the > > > > > private schools. > > > > > Private schools like Harvard? Education is one thing, research another > > > > in any event. > > > > Indeed. tell me all about Harvard's engineering and technology research. > > > > There, that didn't take long, did it? > > > Long of what? Applied research should be done by those with an > > interest in the application, like private business. Universities > > should do only basic research. As it is now, you have a lot of faculty > > at a lot of Materials Science departments in public universities, > > "inventing" a lot of useless "materials" hoping to hit some mother > > lode...mostly a waste of time and money. While I have only gone to a > > couple of materials science conferences, what amazed me was the > > uselessness of most of what was being done. > > You are 180 degrees out of phase with all higher education philosophies. > No surprise, that those that don't do research, don;t think anyone else > should either. > > Which materials science "conferences" did you go to? Specifics, please. You claim I don't do research. I'll bet you $US5K I have at least one material sciences publication in a well respected symposium. I see no evidence that you do research, BTW, other than operate an Em for other people...and anyone here could learn to operate any EM.
From: William Clark on 26 Jan 2010 17:36 In article <c43adac3-e3c0-443d-89a7-980523df5307(a)n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Jan 26, 11:19�am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > In article > > <d21b676a-0394-4f38-b129-a765587ef...(a)a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Jan 25, 5:27�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <a128dbf9-403c-4d78-86bd-b7d48cccc...(a)g1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:02�pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > > > > > > On 24-Jan-2010, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Carbon thinks that if someone doesn't have health insurance > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > don't have health care. �In reality people in the US without > > > > > > > > health > > > > > > > > insurance have access to much better health care than anyone in > > > > > > > > Canada. > > > > > > > > > So someone with no health insurance can just pop in to see a > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > doctor when they feel something coming on? BS. > > > > > > > > sure, pay cash! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > bill-o > > > > > > > Which is true, however in Canada you can't just pop in and get > > > > > service > > > > > at a given health care provider, even if you do pay cash! > > > > > > That's right - many of their family doctors will still come to you. > > > > What > > > > a terrible notion! > > > > > Oh boy! IF the chosen one for you decides to go to you, they can! They > > > can do the same in the US, BTW, if they want! > > > > Which they don't. > > > > > > > > > Another nice thing about the Canadian system is that if Family doc > > > decides you need to see a specialist, you have to get the referral > > > from family doc. You don't get to choose to see a specialist if you > > > want, only if family doc says it's OK, and then only a specialist of > > > family docs choosing! > > > > Same with many insurance plans, where the family doctor is the > > gatekeeper between the patient and specialists. Also most plans limit > > the specialists you can see to those within their network. > > Absolutely untrue. I can see any specialist who will take me. The > decision rests solely with me and the specialist. All the insurance > company can do is cover it or not, which is another issue. In the case > of my wife and I, we have chosen the best specialist available when > required and had no problem with insurance. That is your plan. There are many plans where there is a gatekeeper in place. > > In Canada, you get no choice. Really? In all national health systems in Europe you can always request a second opinion.
From: William Clark on 26 Jan 2010 17:39
In article <b09f1af4-d170-473a-9432-96fea070391d(a)b9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Jan 26, 11:22�am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > In article > > <a7082048-ed84-446d-b1be-00ec25e0b...(a)33g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Jan 25, 5:30 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <6bc68dda-a56e-4442-be1a-d716ae5c7...(a)n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 25, 8:13 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > > > In article > > > > > > <66c6dafd-b068-4892-80b1-2d161c41c...(a)m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 12:23 pm, William Clark > > > > > > > <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <MPG.25c536ae94ae9c53989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <wclark2-38BD28.15204023012...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > > > > > > > state.edu>, wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <MPG.25c4f87bb230d53989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <cq9ml5127hejfuftu8c85v5t4p4jr0d...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > how...(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:56:19 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> That's how insurance works. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> That's how hospitals work when they bill you to pay > > > > > > > > > > > > >> for > > > > > > > > > > > > >> their > > > > > > > > > > > > >> treatment of those without money. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What do you propose to change this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am not compelled, at the point of a gun, to buy > > > > > > > > > > > > >health > > > > > > > > > > > > >insurance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. But if you choose not to buy health insurance, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > into a > > > > > > > > > > > > serious accident, they won't verify this before calling > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > flight > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > life, getting you to a hospital, and saving your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > (They > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > won't check to see if you have the means to pay). They > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > save > > > > > > > > > > > > your life, and we will pay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should be billed for the services I received. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > receiving > > > > > > > > > > > services in from any business should pay for those > > > > > > > > > > > services > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > do not pay for the services they receive they should be > > > > > > > > > > > arrested > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > theft or sued. > > > > > > > > > > > > So health is just a business, is it? Why isn't education > > > > > > > > > > "just > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > business", then? You are not being billed for the services > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > receive > > > > > > > > > > there, you are being subsidized by the entire community, > > > > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > that will never take advantage of the education system. > > > > > > > > > > > Does OSU make a profit off of their students? Does OSU charge > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > the actual expenses? If yes, then they are a business. In the > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > of selling education. > > > > > > > > > > No, and no. State universities are subsidized by state taxes, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the overhead on external research funds. Tuition only accounts > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > 40% of the university budget. So, we can charge the economic > > > > > > > > rate > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > fees and tuitions, and then almost none of Ohio's citizens will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > to afford to go to college. Go read the Morrill Act and see > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > intention of those wiser than you was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, why are medical services different from all other > > > > > > > > > > > services > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > it comes to paying for the services you receive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you paying for your children's education? Oh, yes, by > > > > > > > > > > taxes. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not paying yet. I am saving and I am saving quite a bit. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > will need about $30,000 a year saved up for each kid and then > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be about $1,500 a month out of pocket costs to me. Damn kids > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > to Ivy league schools. > > > > > > > > > > You are not paying for their high school education? Surely you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > in private schools or home schooled, just on principle. You > > > > > > > > know, > > > > > > > > personal responsibility and all that. > > > > > > > > > Absolutely untrue. Private colleges can easily stay in business > > > > > > > charging effectively about $200.00 per credit hour. Get rid of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > deadwood faculty, the excess administration and excess physical > > > > > > > plant > > > > > > > and it's no problem. People should *ALWAYS* be able to choose > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > vs private in any situation, and either have the public subsidy > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > the *PEOPLE'S* choice, or fund public schools exclusively as a > > > > > > > function of the number of students, with the allocation per > > > > > > > student > > > > > > > rigidly attached to the cost per student in private schools. > > > > > > > > You can only do that if you eliminate research in the sciences and > > > > > > technology. It's way too expensive for tuition only revenue > > > > > > streams, > > > > > > which is why relatively little of it in these fields is done in the > > > > > > private schools. > > > > > > > Private schools like Harvard? Education is one thing, research > > > > > another > > > > > in any event. > > > > > > Indeed. tell me all about Harvard's engineering and technology > > > > research. > > > > > > There, that didn't take long, did it? > > > > > Long of what? Applied research should be done by those with an > > > interest in the application, like private business. Universities > > > should do only basic research. As it is now, you have a lot of faculty > > > at a lot of Materials Science departments in public universities, > > > "inventing" a lot of useless "materials" hoping to hit some mother > > > lode...mostly a waste of time and money. While I have only gone to a > > > couple of materials science conferences, what amazed me was the > > > uselessness of most of what was being done. > > > > You are 180 degrees out of phase with all higher education philosophies. > > No surprise, that those that don't do research, don;t think anyone else > > should either. > > > > Which materials science "conferences" did you go to? Specifics, please. > > You claim I don't do research. I'll bet you $US5K I have at least one > material sciences publication in a well respected symposium. I see no > evidence that you do research, BTW, other than operate an Em for other > people...and anyone here could learn to operate any EM. I repeat - what are these "materials science" conferences you claim to have gone to? Let's see the meeting date and venue, and then how about this important "materials science" manuscript of yours? Your stupid and ignorant comments about electron microscopy show just how peevishly petty you are. Have you NO professional standards? |