From: Moderate on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:58:06 -0500, BAR wrote:
>> In article <4b60edba$0$4886$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:17:06 -0800, dene wrote:
>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4b5f933c$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:36:45 -0800, dene wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's interesting that those who support the single pay system do
>>>>>> not live in the countries which have it. The Canadian who still
>>>>>> lives in Canada, Alan Baker, is not enthusiastic about it.
>>>>>> Perhaps this is why.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Canadian system is not without its problems. However, it is
>>>>> still vastly better than the US system.
>>>>
>>>> America disagrees.
>>>
>>> I don't want to hurt your feelings Greg, but America is surprisingly
>>> clueless about many things.
>>
>> Thanks for your opinion but, until you are fully vested in our country
>> we'll take your opinion as what it is just another opinion from a
>> .....
>
> But I've actually lived in both places. I've had many people tell me how
> awful universal healthcare is, when they often cannot even explain what
> it is.

Well what did you expect? They were Canadian.


From: dene on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:17:06 -0800, dene wrote:
> > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:4b5f933c$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:36:45 -0800, dene wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's interesting that those who support the single pay system do not
> >>> live in the countries which have it. The Canadian who still lives
> >>> in Canada, Alan Baker, is not enthusiastic about it. Perhaps this
> >>> is why.
> >>
> >> The Canadian system is not without its problems. However, it is still
> >> vastly better than the US system.
> >
> > America disagrees.
>
> I don't want to hurt your feelings Greg, but America is surprisingly
> clueless about many things.

America has 320 million people, Carbs. Canada has 30 million.
Do you honestly think the US federal government would efficient manage this
program for 320 million people? While you ponder, I'll give you a one word
clue behind our thinking....

Medicare.

-Greg


From: Howard Brazee on
On 28 Jan 2010 01:51:54 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:

>>> The Canadian system is not without its problems. However, it is still
>>> vastly better than the US system.
>>
>> America disagrees.
>
>I don't want to hurt your feelings Greg, but America is surprisingly
>clueless about many things.

America isn't monolithic.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: William Clark on
In article <4b60ed26$0$4886$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:01:38 -0800, dene wrote:
> > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in
> > message
> > news:clark-7E40D7.14134427012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >> In article <7sbdv4F9egU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene"
> >> <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> >>> "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:ib1vl51u8hmf6i81s1sckv6ju4mnvgh9kh(a)4ax.com...
> >>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:13:23 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
> >>>> <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Another nice thing about the Canadian system is that if Family doc
> >>>>> decides you need to see a specialist, you have to get the referral
> >>>>> from family doc. You don't get to choose to see a specialist if
> >>>>> you want, only if family doc says it's OK, and then only a
> >>>>> specialist of family docs choosing!
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey, that's what *my* insurance company does!
> >>>
> >>> That's the plan you chose, Howard. You can always change to a plan
> >>> that doesn't have this requirement. In Canada, you do not have this
> >>> option.
> >>
> >> Indeed, Howard, your option is to pay higher insurance premiums. The
> >> Canadians don't have that one, either.
> >
> > Uh Billy. Stick to what you know. Howard is on medicare. The
> > flexible plans to do cost anymore than the HMO plan he describes.
>
> Yeah, but it actually is way cheaper per capita there. Longer life
> expectancy too. But of course everyone already knows this...

Except Bert :-)
From: William Clark on
In article <7sbvvkFna7U1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:wclark2-3A8318.18075427012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>
>
>
> > > > Indeed, Howard, your option is to pay higher insurance premiums. The
> > > > Canadians don't have that one, either.
> > >
> > > Uh Billy. Stick to what you know. Howard is on medicare. The flexible
> > > plans to do cost anymore than the HMO plan he describes.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> >
> > So you agree with my point. If you want to be able to go directly to a
> > specialist, you have to pay higher insurance premiums.
>
> Not at all. Fee for service plans (PFFS) and Preferred Providers Plans
> (PPO) are often cheaper than the HMO medicare plan Howard describes.
> Neither require a referral to a specialist. The same is often true in the
> individual and group market.
>
> -Greg

And often they are not. And often they have all sorts of gaps in
coverage and limits.