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From: dene on 28 Jan 2010 13:49 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4b60ed26$0$4886$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:01:38 -0800, dene wrote: > > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in > > message > > news:clark-7E40D7.14134427012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> In article <7sbdv4F9egU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" > >> <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >>> "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > >>> news:ib1vl51u8hmf6i81s1sckv6ju4mnvgh9kh(a)4ax.com... > >>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:13:23 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > >>>> <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Another nice thing about the Canadian system is that if Family doc > >>>>> decides you need to see a specialist, you have to get the referral > >>>>> from family doc. You don't get to choose to see a specialist if > >>>>> you want, only if family doc says it's OK, and then only a > >>>>> specialist of family docs choosing! > >>>> > >>>> Hey, that's what *my* insurance company does! > >>> > >>> That's the plan you chose, Howard. You can always change to a plan > >>> that doesn't have this requirement. In Canada, you do not have this > >>> option. > >> > >> Indeed, Howard, your option is to pay higher insurance premiums. The > >> Canadians don't have that one, either. > > > > Uh Billy. Stick to what you know. Howard is on medicare. The > > flexible plans to do cost anymore than the HMO plan he describes. > > Yeah, but it actually is way cheaper per capita there. Longer life > expectancy too. But of course everyone already knows this... Please explain this. My recent exposure was Vancouver Island and the real estate values there were very high. In talking to this couple, they said the values haven't dropped much. Canada didn't have same banking crisis we did, to your country's credit. However, with this 12% sales tax along with your other taxes, cost of housing, how can you say it's cheaper to live there? -Greg
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 28 Jan 2010 14:18 On Jan 27, 6:25 pm, "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > news:clark-0CE54A.14174927012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > In article > > <9997bb8b-6499-482d-9e17-c3be2bbe1...(a)c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > >> On Jan 27, 9:32 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > >> state.edu> wrote: > > >> > No, because this is not an issue about "bets". It seems to me that you > >> > are trying this as a crude attempt to frighten off any scrutiny of your > >> > bogus claim to have a) attended any materials science meetings, and b) > >> > to have " at least one material sciences publication in a well > >> > respected > >> > symposium". I simply don't believe you, and in the world of academia > >> > such differences of opinion are discussed in the open, with no talk of > >> > "bets". > > >> > So, are you going to abide by the standards of academia that you claim > >> > to uphold so strongly? My guess is you won't. > > >> Reality is in no way subservient to what you choose to believe. There > >> is no opinion at issue here, only a point of fact. Either I have or > >> have not published in the area of materials science, and the fact is > >> or isn't independent of what you think. > > > Obviously, then, you have NOT published in the field of materials > > science, nor have you attended any materials science conferences or > > symposia, and all this is simply hot air and bluster. Now we all know. > > Obviously? What scientific method did you use? None, he has just decided.......
From: William Clark on 28 Jan 2010 17:50 In article <7se42eFs99U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-9908E8.09073328012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <7sbvvkFna7U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:wclark2-3A8318.18075427012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, Howard, your option is to pay higher insurance premiums. > The > > > > > > Canadians don't have that one, either. > > > > > > > > > > Uh Billy. Stick to what you know. Howard is on medicare. The > flexible > > > > > plans to do cost anymore than the HMO plan he describes. > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > So you agree with my point. If you want to be able to go directly to a > > > > specialist, you have to pay higher insurance premiums. > > > > > > Not at all. Fee for service plans (PFFS) and Preferred Providers Plans > > > (PPO) are often cheaper than the HMO medicare plan Howard describes. > > > Neither require a referral to a specialist. The same is often true in > the > > > individual and group market. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > And often they are not. And often they have all sorts of gaps in > > coverage and limits. > > Name the gaps. Name the coverage limits. Medicare plans do not take away > anything from original medicare....they add to them. > > Again....you speak of that which you know nothing about. > > -Greg I'm talking about the standard health insurance plans, not Medicaid.
From: William Clark on 28 Jan 2010 17:52 In article <022a7458-93d1-4faa-bfe9-959493f80ad3(a)r19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Jan 27, 6:25�pm, "Moderate" <sparky@ engineer .com> wrote: > > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > > > news:clark-0CE54A.14174927012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > > > > > In article > > > <9997bb8b-6499-482d-9e17-c3be2bbe1...(a)c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > >> On Jan 27, 9:32 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > >> state.edu> wrote: > > > > >> > No, because this is not an issue about "bets". It seems to me that you > > >> > are trying this as a crude attempt to frighten off any scrutiny of your > > >> > bogus claim to have a) attended any materials science meetings, and b) > > >> > to have " at least one material sciences publication in a well > > >> > respected > > >> > symposium". I simply don't believe you, and in the world of academia > > >> > such differences of opinion are discussed in the open, with no talk of > > >> > "bets". > > > > >> > So, are you going to abide by the standards of academia that you claim > > >> > to uphold so strongly? My guess is you won't. > > > > >> Reality is in no way subservient to what you choose to believe. There > > >> is no opinion at issue here, only a point of fact. Either I have or > > >> have not published in the area of materials science, and the fact is > > >> or isn't independent of what you think. > > > > > Obviously, then, you have NOT published in the field of materials > > > science, nor have you attended any materials science conferences or > > > symposia, and all this is simply hot air and bluster. Now we all know. > > > > Obviously? �What scientific method did you use? > > None, he has just decided....... Actually, it's a scientific smell test, that spots a whopper a mile off. Now, how about: a) those materials science symposia, and b) that paper you published in a materials science journal? Neither of these really exists, does it?
From: Carbon on 28 Jan 2010 18:28
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:52:43 -0800, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b60edba$0$4886$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:17:06 -0800, dene wrote: >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:4b5f933c$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:36:45 -0800, dene wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's interesting that those who support the single pay system do >>>>> not live in the countries which have it. The Canadian who still >>>>> lives in Canada, Alan Baker, is not enthusiastic about it. >>>>> Perhaps this is why. >>>> >>>> The Canadian system is not without its problems. However, it is >>>> still vastly better than the US system. >>> >>> America disagrees. >> >> I don't want to hurt your feelings Greg, but America is surprisingly >> clueless about many things. > > America has 320 million people, Carbs. Canada has 30 million. Do you > honestly think the US federal government would efficient manage this > program for 320 million people? While you ponder, I'll give you a one > word clue behind our thinking.... > > Medicare. Population density is actually an advantage. Imagine the difficulty in providing healthcare to residents of the Canadian North. Medicare is used as a scare word, but one program within a profit-based system is nothing like universal healthcare. |