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From: Dinosaur_Sr on 29 Jan 2010 08:43 On Jan 28, 5:52 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article > <022a7458-93d1-4faa-bfe9-959493f80...(a)r19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Jan 27, 6:25 pm, "Moderate" <sparky@ engineer .com> wrote: > > > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > > >news:clark-0CE54A.14174927012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > In article > > > > <9997bb8b-6499-482d-9e17-c3be2bbe1...(a)c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > >> On Jan 27, 9:32 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > >> state.edu> wrote: > > > > >> > No, because this is not an issue about "bets". It seems to me that you > > > >> > are trying this as a crude attempt to frighten off any scrutiny of your > > > >> > bogus claim to have a) attended any materials science meetings, and b) > > > >> > to have " at least one material sciences publication in a well > > > >> > respected > > > >> > symposium". I simply don't believe you, and in the world of academia > > > >> > such differences of opinion are discussed in the open, with no talk of > > > >> > "bets". > > > > >> > So, are you going to abide by the standards of academia that you claim > > > >> > to uphold so strongly? My guess is you won't. > > > > >> Reality is in no way subservient to what you choose to believe. There > > > >> is no opinion at issue here, only a point of fact. Either I have or > > > >> have not published in the area of materials science, and the fact is > > > >> or isn't independent of what you think. > > > > > Obviously, then, you have NOT published in the field of materials > > > > science, nor have you attended any materials science conferences or > > > > symposia, and all this is simply hot air and bluster. Now we all know. > > > > Obviously? What scientific method did you use? > > > None, he has just decided....... > > Actually, it's a scientific smell test, that spots a whopper a mile off. > Now, how about: > > a) those materials science symposia, and > > b) that paper you published in a materials science journal? > > Neither of these really exists, does it? The most interesting aspect of this is your great concern. IF you take the position that I have never published anything in the area of materials science, you become, as a point of fact, a liar. It is not just a matter of being misinformed, because my CV was published online and available for many years, for anyone to see. What is more relevant is that your concern suggests that you are unpublished, or publish little in the area, isn't it, and it bothers you because you think there is some sort of academic status associated with who employs you in this business, when in fact academic status is solely a function of your accomplishments. Now as I claim zero status as a materials scientist, and I claim none, it becomes a problem for you that I have published in the area, because you want to claim some sort of status here, when you, like I, have none! In any event, the $5K bet is still open.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 29 Jan 2010 08:47 On Jan 28, 8:42 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4b621fe8$0$15008$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:49:09 -0800, dene wrote: > > > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >news:4b60ed26$0$4886$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:01:38 -0800, dene wrote: > > >>> "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in > > >>> message > > >>>news:clark-7E40D7.14134427012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > >>>> In article <7sbdv4F9e...(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" > > >>>> <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > >>>>> "Howard Brazee" <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > > >>>>>news:ib1vl51u8hmf6i81s1sckv6ju4mnvgh9kh(a)4ax.com... > > >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:13:23 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > >>>>>> <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> Another nice thing about the Canadian system is that if Family > > >>>>>>> doc decides you need to see a specialist, you have to get the > > >>>>>>> referral from family doc. You don't get to choose to see a > > >>>>>>> specialist if you want, only if family doc says it's OK, and > > >>>>>>> then only a specialist of family docs choosing! > > > >>>>>> Hey, that's what *my* insurance company does! > > > >>>>> That's the plan you chose, Howard. You can always change to a > > >>>>> plan that doesn't have this requirement. In Canada, you do not > > >>>>> have this option. > > > >>>> Indeed, Howard, your option is to pay higher insurance premiums. > > >>>> The Canadians don't have that one, either. > > > >>> Uh Billy. Stick to what you know. Howard is on medicare. The > > >>> flexible plans to do cost anymore than the HMO plan he describes. > > > >> Yeah, but it actually is way cheaper per capita there. Longer life > > >> expectancy too. But of course everyone already knows this... > > > > Please explain this. My recent exposure was Vancouver Island and the > > > real estate values there were very high. In talking to this couple, > > > they said the values haven't dropped much. Canada didn't have same > > > banking crisis we did, to your country's credit. > > > > However, with this 12% sales tax along with your other taxes, cost of > > > housing, how can you say it's cheaper to live there? > > > Vancouver Island probably has the most expensive housing prices in the > > country, so it's hardly typical of anything. > > You mean housing is cheaper in Alberta?? > > > Canadian banks are well regulated, so the country was largely untouched > > by the shenanigans in less lawful markets. > > You mean your government didn't force the banks into making mortgage loans > to people who couldn't afford them. Good on them. > > > As for the taxes, you have to look at the whole picture. The upfront > > costs are higher, but everyone is paying into the healthcare pool. > > Everybody gets a humane baseline of medical care at no extra cost. The > > overall per capita spend on healthcare is about 2/3 of what it is here. > > I question this, in light of your income taxes and now a 12% sales tax. I > cannot imagine a more regressive tax than the latter. Good luck with that. > > -Greg Canadian banks also don't make risky loans. They rely on other banks to do so. Works OK so far, but there is a distinct lack of innovation in the Canadian economy. No free trade with the US and the Canadian economy collapses. What is interesting is that Canadian lefites think Chrysler, GM and Ford are Canadian companies. I wonder what happens to these companies if the US stops importing their products and American banks don't finance their activities?
From: William Clark on 29 Jan 2010 08:47 In article <7sesbfF1bsU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-EAEF83.17501528012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <7se42eFs99U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > > news:clark-9908E8.09073328012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > In article <7sbvvkFna7U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:wclark2-3A8318.18075427012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, Howard, your option is to pay higher insurance > premiums. > > > The > > > > > > > > Canadians don't have that one, either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh Billy. Stick to what you know. Howard is on medicare. The > > > flexible > > > > > > > plans to do cost anymore than the HMO plan he describes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > So you agree with my point. If you want to be able to go directly > to a > > > > > > specialist, you have to pay higher insurance premiums. > > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Fee for service plans (PFFS) and Preferred Providers > Plans > > > > > (PPO) are often cheaper than the HMO medicare plan Howard describes. > > > > > Neither require a referral to a specialist. The same is often true > in > > > the > > > > > individual and group market. > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > And often they are not. And often they have all sorts of gaps in > > > > coverage and limits. > > > > > > Name the gaps. Name the coverage limits. Medicare plans do not take > away > > > anything from original medicare....they add to them. > > > > > > Again....you speak of that which you know nothing about. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > I'm talking about the standard health insurance plans, not Medicaid. > > The context is Medicare, since that is what Howard has. Medicaid is public > assistance, aka welfare. Standard health insurance plans have gaps and > limits in order to reduce abuse (like cosmetic, elective surgeries) and thus > reduce premiums. > > So now that the terminology is clarified, what specific gaps or limits of > standard insurance plans are you referring to? > > -Greg Plans where you have to pay extra to see a doctor outside of the plan's approved network. Plans where you have to pay extra if you don't want to have to go through a family doctor in order to see a specialist. And so on.
From: BAR on 29 Jan 2010 09:01 In article <bd2a7183-1bb3-45af-9786-e1c1ac0cb5c2 @b10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, frostback2002(a)att.net says... > > The most interesting aspect of this is your great concern. IF you take > the position that I have never published anything in the area of > materials science, you become, as a point of fact, a liar. It is not > just a matter of being misinformed, because my CV was published online > and available for many years, for anyone to see. > > What is more relevant is that your concern suggests that you are > unpublished, or publish little in the area, isn't it, and it bothers > you because you think there is some sort of academic status associated > with who employs you in this business, when in fact academic status is > solely a function of your accomplishments. > > Now as I claim zero status as a materials scientist, and I claim none, > it becomes a problem for you that I have published in the area, > because you want to claim some sort of status here, when you, like I, > have none! > > In any event, the $5K bet is still open. I have a $1US that says Billy doesn't take your bet.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 29 Jan 2010 09:34
On Jan 29, 8:47 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article <7sesbfF1b...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > >news:clark-EAEF83.17501528012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > In article <7se42eFs9...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > > >news:clark-9908E8.09073328012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > In article <7sbvvkFna...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "William Clark" <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > >news:wclark2-3A8318.18075427012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, Howard, your option is to pay higher insurance > > premiums. > > > > The > > > > > > > > > Canadians don't have that one, either. > > > > > > > > > Uh Billy. Stick to what you know. Howard is on medicare. The > > > > flexible > > > > > > > > plans to do cost anymore than the HMO plan he describes. > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > So you agree with my point. If you want to be able to go directly > > to a > > > > > > > specialist, you have to pay higher insurance premiums. > > > > > > > Not at all. Fee for service plans (PFFS) and Preferred Providers > > Plans > > > > > > (PPO) are often cheaper than the HMO medicare plan Howard describes. > > > > > > Neither require a referral to a specialist. The same is often true > > in > > > > the > > > > > > individual and group market. > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > And often they are not. And often they have all sorts of gaps in > > > > > coverage and limits. > > > > > Name the gaps. Name the coverage limits. Medicare plans do not take > > away > > > > anything from original medicare....they add to them. > > > > > Again....you speak of that which you know nothing about. > > > > > -Greg > > > > I'm talking about the standard health insurance plans, not Medicaid. > > > The context is Medicare, since that is what Howard has. Medicaid is public > > assistance, aka welfare. Standard health insurance plans have gaps and > > limits in order to reduce abuse (like cosmetic, elective surgeries) and thus > > reduce premiums. > > > So now that the terminology is clarified, what specific gaps or limits of > > standard insurance plans are you referring to? > > > -Greg > > Plans where you have to pay extra to see a doctor outside of the plan's > approved network. Plans where you have to pay extra if you don't want to > have to go through a family doctor in order to see a specialist. And so > on. A very good point. In the US, you pay extra to see a doctor outside a network. In Canada, you are restricted to the one doctor who has accepted you as a patient; period. You are limited to that person's knowledge and skills; period. |